Tech Issue Pirelli-The Tyre Story.. - Page 24

JeremySmith · 2 Jun 2013, 17:26 (Ref:3256761)

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Originally Posted by jsTrecu

So Hembery really is Johnny English ?

I was suspecting it since the very beginning

http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/06/02/p...ohnny-english/

Interesting, what do think Scott ?

wolfhound · 2 Jun 2013, 18:29 (Ref:3256774)

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Originally Posted by jsTrecu

So Hembery really is Johnny English ?

I was suspecting it since the very beginning

http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/06/02/p...ohnny-english/

I imigine the men in Paris will be interested in that little lot of information, there are serious odours beginning to appear.
Will the FIA come down like a tonof lead or feathers?

Scooter185 · 2 Jun 2013, 22:01 (Ref:3256859)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

I imigine the men in Paris will be interested in that little lot of information, there are serious odours beginning to appear.
Will the FIA come down like a tonof lead or feathers?

Getting hit by a ton of anything is going to be fatal. It just takes more feathers than lead.

Armco Bender · 2 Jun 2013, 22:24 (Ref:3256869)

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Well that's the answer we are waiting for. It could be anything really...

Watching the Indycars they don't appear to have tyre issues...

They also have passing and racing....but we'll worry about tyres first..

Dutton · 2 Jun 2013, 23:28 (Ref:3256882)

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Originally Posted by Scooter185

Getting hit by a ton of anything is going to be fatal. It just takes more feathers than lead.

More feathers than lead?

I suppose we would have determine what a Standard Feather Unit (SFU) and a Standard Lead Unit (SLU) is before we could try to assess the validity of that. I do, however, struggle to see how to go about achieving such agreement on the attributes, ergo relative values, of a single SFU and a single SLU.

It would, of course, remain irrelevant either way. A ton is a ton is a ton, regardless of the relative number of individual units required to create it.

Scooter185 · 2 Jun 2013, 23:49 (Ref:3256889)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

More feathers than lead?

I suppose we would have determine what a Standard Feather Unit (SFU) and a Standard Lead Unit (SLU) is before we could try to assess the validity of that. I do, however, struggle to see how to go about achieving such agreement on the attributes, ergo relative values, of a single SFU and a single SLU.

It would, of course, remain irrelevant either way. A ton is a ton is a ton, regardless of the relative number of individual units required to create it.

Unfortunately to determine the SLU and SFU, we would need to conduct an illegal in season test

Dutton · 2 Jun 2013, 23:54 (Ref:3256890)

It's OK, we could just blame Ferrari.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 3 Jun 2013, 11:34 (Ref:3257078)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Watching the Indycars they don't appear to have tyre issues...

They also have passing and racing....but we'll worry about tyres first..

Compared to F1, the tyre regs are pretty straight forward,

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/106896

nothing overly complicated, which seems to be how F1 is these day. Whatever happened to the racing?

jsTrecu · 3 Jun 2013, 12:18 (Ref:3257100)

Pirelli confident tweaked tyres will be accepted by F1 teams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107847

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"At the moment, it looks like there is unanimous agreement."

I don't buy this... If there is even a very tiny improvement in the durability of the tyres someone will oppose the change in my opinion.

Scooter185 · 3 Jun 2013, 13:06 (Ref:3257124)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Watching the Indycars they don't appear to have tyre issues...

They also have passing and racing....but we'll worry about tyres first..

in IndyCar you get to watch them conserve fuel for most of the race. The first 3/4 of the 500 saving fuel is all that got talked about.

**Bononi** · 3 Jun 2013, 13:27 (Ref:3257134)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Compared to F1, the tyre regs are pretty straight forward,

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/106896

nothing overly complicated, which seems to be how F1 is these day. Whatever happened to the racing?

One have to wonder...

Scooter185 · 4 Jun 2013, 17:57 (Ref:3257700)

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/06/0...ret-tyre-test/

**Bononi** · 5 Jun 2013, 01:03 (Ref:3257836)

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Originally Posted by Scooter185

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/06/0...ret-tyre-test/

Good read and why I'm not surprised ?

Marbot · 5 Jun 2013, 01:16 (Ref:3257838)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

MotoGp down the road from me, that was a mind blowing experience...

But they're still saving tyres and the ECUs control the mandated amount of fuel, so if you see someone dropping back towards the end of the race, it isn't necessarily because everyone else is trying to ride faster.

Le Mans is mostly about reliabilty, it's basically about saving everything and balancing that against performance over the course of 24 hours.

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Originally Posted by Bononi

F1 is nothing without those endless conspiracies theories...

Tyregate.

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I would just like to see a situation where they supply the tyres that they believe are correct for F1, without the FIA being involved in the process...

I don't like the "lets spice up the action" scenario, it just sounds contrived...

The FIA must be involved in the process of tyre supply, and probably have been since at least Indy 2005.

"Tyres that they believe are correct for F1"

Not sure what that means. Please explain.

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

It seems unthinkable to me that with all the really *smart* people involved from Mercedes and Pirelli, that any rules have been broken ??

Pirelli probably didn't give a damn what car anyone was using as long as they got to test some tyres. It's not for Pirelli to know what the sporting regulations have to say about how old the car should be. As for Mercedes, well they seem to be in a bit of a pickle, both on and off track.

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Interesting, what do think Scott ?

Yes, tyres are always interesting.

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Originally Posted by Scooter185

in IndyCar you get to watch them conserve fuel for most of the race. The first 3/4 of the 500 saving fuel is all that got talked about.

Nothing new about that. There seems to be this impression that everything in the past in F1 was just 100%, flat-out, pedal-to-the metal, from start to finish. Never has been.

JeremySmith · 5 Jun 2013, 02:29 (Ref:3257854)

well glad you could join us...

So these tire things, well something that lasts more than a few laps, is that SO difficult ? for 5674 sake.

Dutton · 5 Jun 2013, 04:42 (Ref:3257881)

Given we have no refueling, then we need either tyres that present challenges like they do now (or a challenge by being race-life tyres, which are designed to need managing to last properly).

If we have tyres that are reliably decent at all times for the teams, and we also have no refueling, then be prepared for a large number of rather uninteresting and processional races. There is an argument which could be made that would say this would be purer, but there would be a great deal of complaining.

jsTrecu · 5 Jun 2013, 09:30 (Ref:3257933)

So, it seems clear that Pirelli will remain in F1 then

Bridgestone rules out returning to F1
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107869

**bjohnsonsmith** · 5 Jun 2013, 09:36 (Ref:3257939)

Bridgestone says they won't be back.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107869

321Go · 5 Jun 2013, 12:20 (Ref:3258006)

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Originally Posted by jsTrecu

So, it seems clear that Pirelli will remain in F1 then

How is it clear that Pirelli will?

Marbot · 5 Jun 2013, 12:51 (Ref:3258019)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

well glad you could join us...

I've been unwell.

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

So these tire things, well something that lasts more than a few laps, is that SO difficult ? for 5674 sake.

They generally last for more than a few laps. Pirelli, I'm sure, could make them last for a few races. Do you know why that would be a bad thing?

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Given we have no refueling, then we need either tyres that present challenges like they do now (or a challenge by being race-life tyres, which are designed to need managing to last properly).

Yes, but race-life tyres to Lotus aren't the same as race-life tyres to Mercedes. Lotus could easily argue that they have no problem with the current tyres, they last long enough.

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Originally Posted by Dutton

If we have tyres that are reliably decent at all times for the teams, and we also have no refueling, then be prepared for a large number of rather uninteresting and processional races. There is an argument which could be made that would say this would be purer, but there would be a great deal of complaining.

That's a fact!

Marbot · 5 Jun 2013, 12:53 (Ref:3258021)

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Originally Posted by 321Go

How is it clear that Pirelli will?

It would appear that they now have a great deal of bargaining power. I wouldn't be leaving just yet.

jsTrecu · 5 Jun 2013, 13:16 (Ref:3258030)

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Originally Posted by 321Go

How is it clear that Pirelli will?

Sorry I meant "clearer", as two probable brands have already dismissed the possibility of replacing Pirelli.
Who else is left ?

JeremySmith · 5 Jun 2013, 13:19 (Ref:3258031)

Scott sorry you have not been feeling well mate, I hope you are recovering..

Sodemo · 5 Jun 2013, 13:59 (Ref:3258040)

Michelin, Goodyear, Yokohama?

Marbot · 5 Jun 2013, 14:17 (Ref:3258046)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Michelin, Goodyear, Yokohama?

Would they enter F1 if they were asked to do what Pirelli have been asked to do? i.e make tyres and take tyres to races that last for around 20 laps regardless of which circuit your at. Not as easy as it sounds.

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