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Old 16 Nov 2018, 20:28 (Ref:3863665)   #1301
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They absolutely will have all 4 Subarus sitting in the workshop. There was a 2 year option on the original manufacturer deal as far as I remember after the first 3 years were up. Whether they do renew or not, if BMR are on the grid next year they'll be running the Subarus, of that i'm certain, whether they'll be a manufacturer entry or not.
I'm not convinced they have all four, but they should still have three of them.
And of course there was a fifth Levorg that just sat in the corner in case they needed a spare shell (and which has never been made into a race car).
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Old 16 Nov 2018, 20:45 (Ref:3863667)   #1302
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why do you say they don’t have a couple of Subaru’s any more?
I think that is because they never had any Subaru's of their own, the cars were leased.
The assumption being, if they don't have the money to pay debts, they won't be able to continue with the leases.
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Old 16 Nov 2018, 20:53 (Ref:3863669)   #1303
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The cars are physically in the shop but they are not BMRs AFAIK unless things have changed. Cars are owned by Subaru and a lease company.

Subaru 3 year deal has run it's course. They may choose to extend?

The leased cars are possibly an option but that would require cash, which isn't growing in an Orchard at the farm.

Maybe it will be a case of Scott needs Plato and vice versa again for next year, but would Plato put himself through another year of plodding around?
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Old 16 Nov 2018, 22:10 (Ref:3863680)   #1304
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It’ll be a disappointment for many on this thread if Plato ended up in a Subaru again.

Also, as Subaru own the cars, surely it must be in their interest to have them running and in theory generating an income?
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Old 16 Nov 2018, 23:39 (Ref:3863690)   #1305
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This year was the last of the 3 year Subaru deal with BMR and the cars werent owned by BMR themselves just run by them.
Surely BMR running Subarus in 2019 is dependent upon want the owners of the cars want.
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Old 16 Nov 2018, 23:52 (Ref:3863691)   #1306
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This lease company is going to be a bit peeved when the 2 diesel Levorgs, on a deal to do just 15k miles are returned as battered race cars I wonder how much they will get charged for all the stone chips and missing interior?
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Old 17 Nov 2018, 11:46 (Ref:3863760)   #1307
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I thought that the Insignia’s “became” the two additional CC’s in 2014? As in provided the Toca engines and all the spec parts? So if they do exist, they are just the shells rather than complete cars
Are the TOCA engines leased on a season basis and the insignias would have had old suspension
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Old 17 Nov 2018, 12:47 (Ref:3863765)   #1308
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I think you're right on both counts Billy. Certainly the Insignias were fitted with GPRM suspension when they last contested a BTCC round, and I'm pretty sure the engines are a season long lease. I'm not aware of anyone buying a TOCA engine anyways.
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Old 17 Nov 2018, 13:40 (Ref:3863772)   #1309
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Been quiet this week. Come on, we need more clues from teams
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Old 17 Nov 2018, 21:37 (Ref:3863820)   #1310
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It’ll be a disappointment for many on this thread if Plato ended up in a Subaru again.

Also, as Subaru own the cars, surely it must be in their interest to have them running and in theory generating an income?
Heard JP has definitely left BMR along with other staff. Think he has his sights on PMR, he was sniffing about their last year.
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Old 18 Nov 2018, 09:42 (Ref:3863944)   #1311
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Unless PMR run a third car, that’ll be a shame. Cook and Proctor are both deserving of a drive there, the car is quick and the team is good. Let’s hope it’s an addition rather than a replacement if it happens.
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Old 18 Nov 2018, 09:54 (Ref:3863947)   #1312
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Well he’ll need to show he still has it, if he doesn’t want to be a waste of a good seat
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Old 18 Nov 2018, 11:11 (Ref:3863959)   #1313
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It’ll be a disappointment for many on this thread if Plato ended up in a Subaru again.

Also, as Subaru own the cars, surely it must be in their interest to have them running and in theory generating an income?
Generating an income... from BMR?
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Old 18 Nov 2018, 11:12 (Ref:3863960)   #1314
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Well he’ll need to show he still has it, if he doesn’t want to be a waste of a good seat
Hopefully Adam Weaver will be true to his word:

'The development of our Commercial Programme has long been something of a focus of mine, proving that the BTCC works as an income generating platform, allowing us to focus on recruiting talented drivers rather than those with the most money'

Drivers who finished 6th and 12th in 2018, and who both won the JST with BMR.
Or a driver who finished 27th in the previous year's title-winning car and looks like being on the decline at the twilight of their career?

If you opt for the latter, then clearly money talks.
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Old 18 Nov 2018, 13:02 (Ref:3863970)   #1315
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Hopefully Adam Weaver will be true to his word:

'The development of our Commercial Programme has long been something of a focus of mine, proving that the BTCC works as an income generating platform, allowing us to focus on recruiting talented drivers rather than those with the most money'

Drivers who finished 6th and 12th in 2018, and who both won the JST with BMR.
Or a driver who finished 27th in the previous year's title-winning car and looks like being on the decline at the twilight of their career?

If you opt for the latter, then clearly money talks.
Or you are opting for increasing your marketing profile and the off chance of even more consistent results.
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Hopefully Adam Weaver will be true to his word:

'The development of our Commercial Programme has long been something of a focus of mine, proving that the BTCC works as an income generating platform, allowing us to focus on recruiting talented drivers rather than those with the most money'

Drivers who finished 6th and 12th in 2018, and who both won the JST with BMR.
Or a driver who finished 27th in the previous year's title-winning car and looks like being on the decline at the twilight of their career?

If you opt for the latter, then clearly money talks.

This is the same PMR who recruited Emmerdale TV star and housewives favorite Kelvin Fletcher (ahead of race winner Dave Newsham) on talent over marketability of course....
Plato will get them more column inches, gossip and TV time over 1 race than Senna Proctor over a season

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Unless PMR run a third car, that’ll be a shame. Cook and Proctor are both deserving of a drive there, the car is quick and the team is good. Let’s hope it’s an addition rather than a replacement if it happens.
So has JP taken an entry and may be RML hardware (the lease company won’t know if the cars have old spec stuff in them!) and some staff as part of a settlement?...
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Don’t forget that they do have a 3rd Astra in build and purchased the TBL from BMR mid season. Whilst they handed back one of the loan TBL’s it could easily be handed back to them if JP doesn’t carry one as part of his deal.
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Generating an income... from BMR?
Well that’s why I added in theory to that sentence 😉 As some speculation on this thread alludes to they may even be elsewhere??
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What's this about media day no longer happening?
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No official announcement (though nobody shouts about negatives), but yes, it seemingly isn't a thing anymore. Maybe it's perceived as a non-event, but it certainly gave teams a testing opportunity and fans something to look forward too.
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the last few years have been a bit of an anti climax for fans, with all the drivers announced long before the day, its just livery being unveiled which may change before round 1 anyway.
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No official announcement (though nobody shouts about negatives), but yes, it seemingly isn't a thing anymore. Maybe it's perceived as a non-event, but it certainly gave teams a testing opportunity and fans something to look forward too.
It's being replaced with a proper media-only event that won't have fans.
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Well we are no closer to finding out who goes where at the moment. So we might as well wait till media day
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Well we are no closer to finding out who goes where at the moment. So we might as well wait till media day
Just as you posted that, Mr Gilham posted on Twitter saying driver 4 will be announced at 5pm.
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