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Old 16 Jan 2018, 09:53 (Ref:3793072)   #1
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well 10 out of 10 for styling.......looks fantastic

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Old 16 Jan 2018, 11:12 (Ref:3793091)   #2
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Is there actually a desire for these types of vehicles? I'm genuinely curious.
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Old 16 Jan 2018, 11:39 (Ref:3793095)   #3
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Is there actually a desire for these types of vehicles? I'm genuinely curious.
I think it is a similar case to the Ginetta G57 (which already has its evolution in the G58), although with lower performance of course, guided to series and people who want more freedom than the spec series proposed by the ACO with its LMP2 and LMP3.
I like this cars and this series the LMP2 and LMP3 lost all the interest for me.
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Old 16 Jan 2018, 15:46 (Ref:3793131)   #4
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yeah Ginetta seem to have sold a lot of G57's......seems Ligier are realizing its an emerging market
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Talk about market fragmentation. A category *between* CN and LMP3?
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Talk about market fragmentation. A category *between* CN and LMP3?
CN is already in trouble as it is, with the de facto spec Honda engines becoming harder and harder to come by. Unless the new 1.6 Peugeot engine catches on, the class may well disappear over the next two or three years.
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well 10 out of 10 for styling.......looks fantastic

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7 out of 10. Looks better than the model and render, though.

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Is there actually a desire for these types of vehicles? I'm genuinely curious.
A market definitely exists - as hondafan noted Ginetta's made good business in this "PFV" market, to say nothing of the Renault RS01.

Time will tell if it's viable to a wide range of manufacturers or just something a small handful can do well in. I do fear a repeat of the "CN boom" from this.

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CN is already in trouble as it is, with the de facto spec Honda engines becoming harder and harder to come by. Unless the new 1.6 Peugeot engine catches on, the class may well disappear over the next two or three years.
CN isn't any serious trouble. Even if the Peugeot engine doesn't catch on, you won't see the class disappear. A few series may drop CN as a class, but there's too much interest in it for it to go away completely, and it being so low-cost compared to LMP3 and these new "in between" cars is going to keep it going.

Ultimately while the Honda engine may be the preferred engine, since CN engine regulations are not spec eventually someone will find a sufficient replacement regardless of how well the Peugeot does.

What we might see are some tweaks to the class rules to make it easier to FIND those more sufficient engines. CN's biggest problem is that the weight scale penalizes larger engines a bit TOO MUCH to make them viable - the Honda engine only became popular because it hits a sweet spot and was particularly capable of producing it's power reliably. If larger engines within the allowable range weren't so heavily restricted you'd be seeing a much wider range of them in use, rather than rarely seeing anything but the Honda outside of unlimited hillclimb classes.

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7 out of 10. Looks better than the model and render, though.



A market definitely exists - as hondafan noted Ginetta's made good business in this "PFV" market, to say nothing of the Renault RS01.

Time will tell if it's viable to a wide range of manufacturers or just something a small handful can do well in. I do fear a repeat of the "CN boom" from this.



CN isn't any serious trouble. Even if the Peugeot engine doesn't catch on, you won't see the class disappear. A few series may drop CN as a class, but there's too much interest in it for it to go away completely, and it being so low-cost compared to LMP3 and these new "in between" cars is going to keep it going.

Ultimately while the Honda engine may be the preferred engine, since CN engine regulations are not spec eventually someone will find a sufficient replacement regardless of how well the Peugeot does.

What we might see are some tweaks to the class rules to make it easier to FIND those more sufficient engines. CN's biggest problem is that the weight scale penalizes larger engines a bit TOO MUCH to make them viable - the Honda engine only became popular because it hits a sweet spot and was particularly capable of producing it's power reliably. If larger engines within the allowable range weren't so heavily restricted you'd be seeing a much wider range of them in use, rather than rarely seeing anything but the Honda outside of unlimited hillclimb classes.
Very good explanation FormulaFox, I always enjoy reading his developments.

The price of this Ligier is approximately 160,000 euros, with a Supercharged Ford V6 of 3.7l releasing 420 bhp at 7500 rpm and a performance lower than an LMP3.
The new Ginetta G58 is priced at 225,000 and have a GM V8 with a new in-house developed 6.3 litre with 575 bhp and it is likely to be able to come close to matching LMP2 times on many international circuits.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...ckday-car.html

According to a relation performance-price,
What do you think may be the best option? and how does it compare with the LMP3?
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The Ligier JS P4 will be eligible for racing in the British LMP3 Cup championship.

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