James Warburton declares V8 Supercars the best motorsports ‘product on the planet’

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by leothedrummer

there's something seriously wrong when 3/4 of the way through, no one has any idea of who is actually winning the race!

Isn't that a good thing? Seen some wonderful sportscar races over the years - the ALMS round at Silverstone being the prime example where ½ an hour from the end we had no idea how it was going to pan out. Several battles in all classes, everyone going hard, some of them way out in front but needing a splash and dash... Completely absorbing.

The great thing about Barbagello was the complete lack of knowledge as to how the strategies would pan out and who'd got it right. Somehow, after a few duller seasons, V8s have become exciting again.

Best in the world? Probably not, but at the top end, sure. And while you're all complaining the V8 platform is dead, the rest of us are thinking 'lucky them, proper big V8s...'

[leothedrummer]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Isn't that a good thing? Seen some wonderful sportscar races over the years - the ALMS round at Silverstone being the prime example where ½ an hour from the end we had no idea how it was going to pan out. Several battles in all classes, everyone going hard, some of them way out in front but needing a splash and dash... Completely absorbing.

The great thing about Barbagello was the complete lack of knowledge as to how the strategies would pan out and who'd got it right. Somehow, after a few duller seasons, V8s have become exciting again.

Best in the world? Probably not, but at the top end, sure. And while you're all complaining the V8 platform is dead, the rest of us are thinking 'lucky them, proper big V8s...'

Barbagallo didn't feel the same as different race strategies converging at the end - that's brilliant and definitely a good thing in all racing. Maybe the coverage didn't show things clearly enough, perhaps I just wasn't paying attention, but at that late point in the race, I wasn't thinking "It'll be great to see how strategy A compares to strategy B, or if driver X can beat driver Y", I was thinking "I have no idea of whos in contention or what I should be paying attention to".

Again, there's every chance that was my fault and yes, the actual on track product was superb, but not knowing what's happening is different to not knowing what will come of something that you do know is happening.

(Known knowns, known unknowns.....dammit Leo....)

[RedZedMikey]

Leo - watching on TEN or FOXTEL? I find that when watching highlights it is more difficult to follow the ebb and flow of the races - all the little lap by lap nuances are lost. I'm still not a Foxtel user myself, yet ...

[leothedrummer]

Foxtel, Mikey. I know what you mean about highlights, I try to avoid them wherever possible.

I think what I'm talking about might just come down to the way that TV coverage can sometimes miss some of the minor details in the bigger picture. Through the endurance races, I always have the live timing nearby, which makes the different strategy paths of the different runners far easier to follow.

[ForumNick]

Live Timing is available for ALL the races!

[FIRE]

Over the years I have read a lot of negative comments about V8SC and Australian motorsport in general. A critical approach is good but often I think you Aussies should be more proud and bless what you have down under. A country with less than 25 million people has bigger and better national series than Italy and Spain and is on par with the UK.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Over the years I have read a lot of negative comments about V8SC and Australian motorsport in general.

Some of us just remember when the series was more "sport" and less "show business"

[dsg]

Originally Posted by one five five

Some of us just remember when the series was more "sport" and less "show business"

True. With a few exceptions prior to 1975 it was more an amateur sport than a sporting business.

[FAS33]

Its all true and a million times better then Group A ever was that's for sure.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by FAS33

Its all true and a million times better then Group A ever was that's for sure.

Group A was much better than Group C.Those cars were terribly unreliable and the illogical and corrupt homologation process was a joke.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by one five five

Some of us just remember when the series was more "sport" and less "show business"

You could say that about a lot of things (racing and non racing). The world has changed, if you like it or not.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by FAS33

Its all true and a million times better then Group A ever was that's for sure.

You do realise that what we called "V8Supercars" was known as Group A from 1993 to 1996 don't you??

[Matt]

Originally Posted by one five five

You do realise that what we called "V8Supercars" was known as Group A from 1993 to 1996 don't you??

You do realize the Group A he's talking about and the Group 3A regulation 1993-1996 cars were under completely different rulesets, and we all know which one he's talking about when he says Group A, don't you?

[FAS33]

Whinge whinge whinge....welcome to Australia. That's all we (Mostly Senior Citizens) do around here.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Matt

You do realize the Group A he's talking about and the Group 3A regulation 1993-1996 cars were under completely different rulesets, and we all know which one he's talking about when he says Group A, don't you?

No mention of the words Group 3A in this clip, only the words "Group A", including from the father of the term "V8Supercar", one Tony Cochrane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjJbHHM6iNE

[Matt]

You and I both know what he meant when he said Group A. Stop being so stubborn.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Matt

You and I both know what he meant when he said Group A. Stop being so stubborn.

Nothing to do with stubborness at all.

The VP/VR Commodore's and EB/EF Falcon's that raced between 1993-1996 were referred to as Group A cars by the teams, the drivers, the TV commentators and all the press (even the specialist press like Auto Action and Motorsport News). The cars even carried "Group A" stickers.

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by one five five

Some of us just remember when the series was more "sport" and less "show business"

True, but that's far from confined to V8s. I lay the blame squarely at the door of Bernie.

Even American sports, while keeping a careful eye on making sure the regs didn't spoil the show, used to be much more of a sport than now.

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by one five five

Nothing to do with stubborness at all.

The VP/VR Commodore's and EB/EF Falcon's that raced between 1993-1996 were referred to as Group A cars by the teams, the drivers, the TV commentators and all the press (even the specialist press like Auto Action and Motorsport News). The cars even carried "Group A" stickers.

I'm sure you and I would agree the racing these days are better then they've ever been.

[Ospi]

It's a good spectacle for the most part however the inconsistency upstairs gets tiresome. For the best touring car series in the world, the teams certainly don't feel very confident in the future however.

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[Casper]

I don't know why there is so much criticism of SUPERCARS, note the lack of V8 in that. It is a good spectacle for those who are into that sort of thing but tends to be a little boring at times due to restrictive rules and regs and a bit follow the leader because of it. Things are about to change and let's hope the rules don't stifle that change too much but a Leopard does not change his spots so I guess they will follow the well worn recipe of preventing anything that looks like innovative thinking from happening. Restrictive regs have always resulted in huge amounts of folding being spent on minute changes for very little result and generally one team dominates when they perfect it. For all the faults of bygone classes most of them allowed some technical advances which made things interesting.

[FAS33]

I've noticed why there is so much criticism. Too many old people gaining access to keyboards. lol

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by FAS33

I've noticed why there is so much criticism. Too many old people gaining access to keyboards. lol

True. Maybe you need to go find kiddies your own age to hang around with on the internet. Do Nickelodeon have a forum that you can join?





lol

[FAS33]

Must've hit a nerve. Sorry buddy.

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by FAS33

Must've hit a nerve. Sorry buddy.

No nerve hit, and I'm not your buddy.

But over your continuous pointless posts and D Grade trolling attempts.


lol