[Driver] Defending Worst F1 champions

[ASCII Man]

Originally Posted by Skam85

Agree with Adam, apologies to ASCII but if we’re going worst it’s probably JV. But that is similar to P.Hill, in the sense that was down to career choices rather than ability. Wasn’t there a McLaren seat on offer for JV at one point?

Apology accepted.

JV got offered a McLaren seat for 1999, and again for 2002 after he was getting some podiums in the BAR Honda.
And JV didn't follow the dollars, he followed the advice of a friend, a delusional friend, but a friend nonetheless.

[BSchneiderFan]

Presumably the McLaren seat was DC’s. I suspect Häkkinen would have had him covered.

[S griffin]

And he was offered a Benetton seat for 2001. Although the Benetton was a dog that season, it might have been better long term

[BSchneiderFan]

Even if he’d stuck it out at Enstone until the good times came around again in the mid-2000s, Alonso would have exposed him.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

Why should there even have to be a worst F1 Champ?

I guess in the same way there is a 'worst' everything.

Worst F1 driver - worst touring car driver - worst car. Once we discuss the worst of anything, then it follows that we have a worst of everything.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I guess in the same way there is a 'worst' everything.

Worst F1 driver - worst touring car driver - worst car. Once we discuss the worst of anything, then it follows that we have a worst of everything.

The more interesting topic would, I guess be, what is the worst car to ever win a WDC.

[F1Guy]

A better subject would be, who was the worst driver to not win a WDC in the best car?


Answer:____________________

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

A better subject would be, who was the worst driver to not win a WDC in the best car?


Answer:____________________

Answer: Any of Michael Schumachers teammates (apart from Rosberg!).

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Answer: Any of Michael Schumachers teammates

Contracted number two drivers not included.

[BSchneiderFan]

Yawn. Not that again.

[S griffin]

For me, there are two types of champions: the great and the very good.

Great:
Fangio, Ascari, Brabham, Clark, Surtees, Stewart, Rindt, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Schumi, Hakkinen, Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Vettel

Very Good:
Farina, Hawthorn, all three Hills, Hulme, Fittipaldi, Hunt the Shunt, Andretti, Scheckter, Jonesy, Piquet, both Rosbergs, Mansell, Villeneuve

No such thing as a bad champion to me

[BSchneiderFan]

At first I forgot myself and thought “Villeneuve only ‘very good’? That’s brave”, then I remembered that Gilles was never world champion.

[S griffin]

Villeneuve Sr was certainly a great who never won a championship, along with Moss, Brooks, Gurney, Peterson and Montoya

[E.B]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Villeneuve Sr was certainly a great who never won a championship, along with Moss, Brooks, Gurney, Peterson and Montoya

Personally I was surprised to see the Montoya name sharing such a label with the likes of Villeneuve Senior, Moss, Brooks, Gurney and Peterson.

An agree to disagree moment .

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by E.B

Personally I was surprised to see the Montoya name sharing such a label with the likes of Villeneuve Senior, Moss, Brooks, Gurney and Peterson.

An agree to disagree moment .

No, I'm with you. It was my first thought too.....

[Skam85]

One of these things is not like the other!

[Dixon9]

i wish i was the worst world champion

well actually i'd hate to live with the bitterness of Jacques Villeneuve but if i could steal his achievements and attach them to myself that would nice

[ASCII Man]

Originally Posted by Dixon9

i wish i was the worst world champion

well actually i'd hate to live with the bitterness of Jacques Villeneuve but if i could steal his achievements and attach them to myself that would nice

Really?

I mean, seriously?

[S griffin]

Actually I think I might make a change to my list of great and very good champs. Move Piquet into the great section. And I forgot Button, who I put in the very good category

[Dixon9]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Really?

I mean, seriously?

what, are you going to turn down a drive in a mid 90s Williams? Those things were rocket ships. I'd love a go even though I'd probably bin it first corner because I'm terrible and not fit to drive an f1 car.

[ASCII Man]

I guess it's another one for the ignore list, then.
It's like they're coming out in droves lately...

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

I guess it's another one for the ignore list, then.
It's like they're coming out in droves lately...

Why?

Most of us are armchair racers aren't we? (Well those who've never raced, anyway). I'll always believe I could have been the next big thing - and I was certainly better than J. Villeneuve, for sure........

[Dixon9]

>happily says self is terrible
>wishes they could be the worst champ because it would still be a massive achievement
>wishes they had half the ability of villenueve
>someone takes offense to this

k

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Dixon9

>happily says self is terrible
>wishes they could be the worst champ because it would still be a massive achievement
>wishes they had half the ability of villenueve
>someone takes offense to this

k

I am confused by the feedback to your post as well. This reminds me of much of the criticism of Danica Patrick. It totally ignores “where” they are.

Regardless of what people feel about “famous racer X” (someone who maybe is not considered the “best”), most racing fans would be nuts to not want the level of skill, opportunities and experience to at least complete (and sometimes win) at the highest level.

Richard

[ASCII Man]

Originally Posted by Dixon9

well actually i'd hate to live with the bitterness of Jacques Villeneuve

Very confusing indeed.