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Old 2 Jan 2023, 22:00 (Ref:4138752)   #1
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Prospective new teams for the FIA F1 World Championship.

FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem, has asked his FIA team to look at launching an Expressions of Interest process for prospective new teams for the FIA F1 World Championship.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...grid/10416452/
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Old 2 Jan 2023, 22:55 (Ref:4138755)   #2
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Without referring to TFA...

Hahah haaaa hahahahah.

I will now go and read TFA and if my opinion changes I will reply accordingly.
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Old 3 Jan 2023, 00:21 (Ref:4138760)   #3
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I sincerely hope the FIA plan to tell the F1 teams that the existing teams don't get to decide who enters!
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Old 3 Jan 2023, 00:23 (Ref:4138761)   #4
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Yes it should be up to the FIA to decide and more teams will come in handy if any pull out. But not too many teams entering
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Old 3 Jan 2023, 10:07 (Ref:4138797)   #5
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I sincerely hope the FIA plan to tell the F1 teams that the existing teams don't get to decide who enters!



I couldn't agree more.It will also provide a way for those made redundant due to the cost cap to continue working in F1.
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The more the merrier. If every team is under a cost cap, then it paves the way for new teams to join and eventually be competitive.

The Manor, HRT and Caterham / Lotus teams who joined on the understanding that all F1 teams would be under a budget limit were royally shafted by the goalposts being moved. Their lack of competitivity and inevitable demise was a poor reflection on those running the sport at the time.
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Without referring to TFA...

Hahah haaaa hahahahah.

I will now go and read TFA and if my opinion changes I will reply accordingly.
Still laughing. It would require wholesale changes in the way that F1/FOM/FIA governance and rules structures are put together; it feels to me like Ben Sulayem wants even more control over F1 than the FIA already have.

Andretti aside, who else would be willing to put together an entire team to build a car, obtain an engine, and then have at least $200M if not more to give to the other teams for letting the new team play with their ball?

On a related note: has there ever been proper multi-class racing in FIA single seaters? It'd be interesting to see F1 and F2 cars on the same grid, by way of an example.
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Porsche for one?
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On a related note: has there ever been proper multi-class racing in FIA single seaters? It'd be interesting to see F1 and F2 cars on the same grid, by way of an example.

Maybe not during the FIA's regime, but didn't F1s and F2s race together in the 50s and 60s? And I don't know whether my memory is playing tricks on me but weren't there the odd occasion that one or two Indy cars also appeared in some races back then?

And for an old fart, what does TFA mean?
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Maybe not during the FIA's regime, but didn't F1s and F2s race together in the 50s and 60s? And I don't know whether my memory is playing tricks on me but weren't there the odd occasion that one or two Indy cars also appeared in some races back then?

And for an old fart, what does TFA mean?
Re the racing question - I don't know! Maybe in non-championship races?

TFA - The Fine Article. Or any other word beginning with F that might be used adjectivally
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Caterham, Marussia and HRT certainly added 'value' to the sport at the start of the 2010s when they raced as the backmarker teams. The brief moments that they stood out were particularly exciting. Narain Karthikeyan running in the top six for half a lap for HRT in Malaysia 2012 springs to mind, as does Giedo van der Garde finishing third in Q1 in Spa 2013 for Caterham, Jules Bianchi finishing ninth in Monaco 2014, Bianchi and Chilton very briefly making it a Marussia 1-2 towards the end of Q1 in Silverstone 2014. Having three teams at the back for everyone to root for, hoping they would make Q2 or score a point, was a big highlight of the early 2010s.

I think three spots should be open for new teams, and if they join and are able to battle in the midfield or even at the top then that would be great, but if, more likely, they struggle and are consistently at the back, then no harm done. That would be good too.
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Maybe not during the FIA's regime, but didn't F1s and F2s race together in the 50s and 60s? And I don't know whether my memory is playing tricks on me but weren't there the odd occasion that one or two Indy cars also appeared in some races back then?
I'm not sure about different series racing together, but Ascari's two F1 titles were in cars run to F2 regs, if that could be what you were thinking of?
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Maybe not during the FIA's regime, but didn't F1s and F2s race together in the 50s and 60s? And I don't know whether my memory is playing tricks on me but weren't there the odd occasion that one or two Indy cars also appeared in some races back then?
Mike, they used to run F2 cars as well as F1 at times at the Nurburgring.(1966/7/9 I know for sure) I believe that was to do with the long lap and to give the spectators more cars to look at... on the basis of with F2 cars there would always be a car within sight of spectators rather than waiting for the F1 cars to come round. (That reason might be my imagination but it rings a bell in my head)

A famous instance was Ickx in 1967 ran an F2 car at the German GP and ran near the front of the field until a DNF from a suspension failure. I know that year there were several F2 cars running. They did not qualify for points IIRC. Oliver was first F2 car to finish, in 5th but got no points. Looking at the race result I note that due to F2 cars, Guy Ligier finished 8th on the road, but as the 6th F1 car to finish, scored a point.
Results/entry show the F2 cars entered:
Results: https://www.statsf1.com/en/1967/alle...lassement.aspx
Entry list: https://www.statsf1.com/en/1967/allemagne/engages.aspx

More vague without looking it up is my memory on whether they all started together or whether the F2 started with a short delay.


Re Indy type cars running in GPs the one instance of an American type race car, (maybe not an actual Indycar), that comes to mind was Roger Ward ran a Kurtis Kraft Offenhauser midget car at the 1959 USGP at Sebring. I know he qualified last with a huge gap to pole position. He DNF'd during the race.

In fact a pic of Ward at that race. (running #1!)


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Forgot to mention they did have, nothing to do with F1 championship wise, an exhibition race for a couple of years which was meant to be F1 v Indy cars, at Monza (I think on the oval). Billed as Race of Two Worlds , aka Monzapolis, the Monza 500, it was not quite as planned with many F1 cars and drivers saying no thanks, particularly the first year but they tried it for two years, 1957 and '58. Second year was slightly better but not the show it was expected to be and fizzled out.

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