Team Orders / Manufactured Results??

Sparklehorse · 11 Nov 2006, 09:52 (Ref:1763313)

Watching todays race, I think we are seeing manufactured results and there is more to come tomorrow.

1. Garth Tanders engine - Conveniently his engine lost power near the end and he only slowed enough to let Rick through and finish neatly behind him. The car sounded fine on the #10 audio contrary to Tanders comments about the car sounding like a tractor and being on 6 or 7 cylinders. After the race Tander was devastated. Ok he had a win taken away from him but he would have been more unhappy if it was the team/manufacturer taking the win away from him to secure rick more championship points. Would be interesting to look at some of Garth's telemetry. Defiantly off to HRT(/WPS

) next season?

2. Jason Bright said the person who leads into the first corner tomorrow will probably win the round. Is he going to let Mark through?

Chatters · 11 Nov 2006, 10:27 (Ref:1763327)

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Originally Posted by Sparklehorse

Watching todays race, I think we are seeing manufactured results and there is more to come tomorrow.

1. Garth Tanders engine - Conveniently his engine lost power near the end and he only slowed enough to let Rick through and finish neatly behind him. The car sounded fine on the #10 audio contrary to Tanders comments about the car sounding like a tractor and being on 6 or 7 cylinders. After the race Tander was devastated. Ok he had a win taken away from him but he would have been more unhappy if it was the team/manufacturer taking the win away from him to secure rick more championship points. Would be interesting to look at some of Garth's telemetry. Defiantly off to HRT(/WPS

) next season?

2. Jason Bright said the person who leads into the first corner tomorrow will probably win the round. Is he going to let Mark through?

He slowed enough to let Rick through- And let Winterbottom, a bloke he's battling with for third in the championship, through as well? Why would he let Rick through to grab two more points when Craig Lowndes was in 25th or something?

And the gap between Tander (4th) and Courtney (5th) was a significant one, I don't think Courtney had enough to catch him...

Nado · 11 Nov 2006, 10:45 (Ref:1763334)

I don't think there's a problem at all had Garth waved Rick through. They're team-mates. When one guy's out of the championship, then I see no problem in him putting his efforts into helping his team win the championship.

And before you jump on me, I'm a Ford fan so I'd want more points lost by Rick, but if it was done on purpose, there's really no problem (and I don't think there's any conspiracy either).

Motor-racing for the most part is an individual AND team sport.

Exceler8 · 11 Nov 2006, 10:56 (Ref:1763335)

yeah and im sure tander let bright through when leading the race
of course he had an engine issue
when u could easily see that he was doing 55's and the top 3 were doing 51's

SkaifeHRT · 11 Nov 2006, 12:58 (Ref:1763386)

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Originally Posted by Sparklehorse

Watching todays race, I think we are seeing manufactured results and there is more to come tomorrow.

1. Garth Tanders engine - Conveniently his engine lost power near the end and he only slowed enough to let Rick through and finish neatly behind him. The car sounded fine on the #10 audio contrary to Tanders comments about the car sounding like a tractor and being on 6 or 7 cylinders. After the race Tander was devastated. Ok he had a win taken away from him but he would have been more unhappy if it was the team/manufacturer taking the win away from him to secure rick more championship points. Would be interesting to look at some of Garth's telemetry. Defiantly off to HRT(/WPS

) next season?

2. Jason Bright said the person who leads into the first corner tomorrow will probably win the round. Is he going to let Mark through?

You are mentally ill.

pete55 · 11 Nov 2006, 13:08 (Ref:1763398)

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Originally Posted by HRT Man_05

yeah and im sure tander let bright through when leading the race
of course he had an engine issue
when u could easily see that he was doing 55's and the top 3 were doing 51's

Pretty easy to drop 4 secs a lap if you want to.

sizzle · 11 Nov 2006, 13:16 (Ref:1763404)

Bright did say in the press conference something about sparks from Tanders exhaust.

Rombles1 · 11 Nov 2006, 13:34 (Ref:1763421)

Considering that all it could possibly gain for Rick was 3 points (or was it less than that?), I think the potential for disaster by inviting people past would be far greater than that 3 point gain.

Sparklehorse · 11 Nov 2006, 13:53 (Ref:1763430)

Tanders behavior after the race suggested that he was unhappy with recent events.

How would you feel to have a win taken from you not because of mechanical failure or driver error?

Drivers have egos.

Andylad · 11 Nov 2006, 13:54 (Ref:1763431)

People don’t seriously believe that, do they? Tander pretended he had an engine problem that allowed FPR though to a 1-2? Be wary of paranoia, guys, I really think that theory indicates a lost plot

Armco Bender · 11 Nov 2006, 17:25 (Ref:1763515)

Team orders in motor racing have been around since they raced chariots,so whats your point?.

Aarrgh8 · 11 Nov 2006, 20:50 (Ref:1763624)

These theories get better and better. HSVDT and HRT manufactured an engine problem and a wheel fitting problem to give Rick a leg-up. They certainly worked those problems well. GT dropped from 1st to 5th, letting both FPR cars through to a 1-2 (Holden would have loved that bit) to give RK an additional 3 points when Rick had already put himself 47 points ahead of Craig before the 'problem'. Excellent - but it didn't fool me. At least with Skaife's wheel problem, like AP pointed out, Mark played his part convincingly well.

I've got a better theory. Jamie Whincup was under instructions from VESA to nail Craig and give Rick a really decent leg-up. Like it?

pete55 · 11 Nov 2006, 21:20 (Ref:1763646)

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Originally Posted by Aarrgh8

I've got a better theory. Jamie Whincup was under instructions from VESA to nail Craig and give Rick a really decent leg-up. Like it.

team drinkalot · 11 Nov 2006, 22:03 (Ref:1763675)

Craig is obviously have a bad luck streak. It is ironic that Craigs team mate, through shear lake off talent, takes out the 888 Falcon and I also believe that Garth slowed to let Rick through.
Nobody remembers who came second or third in the championship.

**GTRMagic** · 11 Nov 2006, 23:14 (Ref:1763710)

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Originally Posted by Aarrgh8

I've got a better theory. Jamie Whincup was under instructions from VESA to nail Craig and give Rick a really decent leg-up. Like it?

I thought the Holden mafia had leaned on Mr Dumbrell to achieve perfect car placement to cause the mess....

Meantime, back in the world of reality.... I too thought the engine damage was odd... the coverage of the car as it drifted back thru the field did not show anything coming from the exhaust (eg oil, fluid, flames) that were not expected.... which if the engine had an internal failure, there is normally some outward sign.

If it was "putt putting" as much as the driver said.. how did it 'only' lose 4 seconds a lap when the Symmons Plains circuit is really only 2 straights & hairpin??

Senna05 · 11 Nov 2006, 23:16 (Ref:1763714)

Some people have a little too much time on their hands.......

I bet Lee Harvey Oswald was behind it all. He pulled a lead from tander's car, gave Wincup a puncture, and sabotaged HRT's rattle guns....

And Today, he has more on the agenda!

...sheesh

**GTRMagic** · 11 Nov 2006, 23:23 (Ref:1763718)

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Originally Posted by Senna05

Some people have a little too much time on their hands.......

I bet Lee Harvey Oswald was behind it all. He pulled a lead from tander's car, gave Wincup a puncture, and sabotaged HRT's rattle guns....

And Today, he has more on the agenda!

...sheesh

Was 'Mr Oswald' employed by VESA to get some more people thru the gate at Phillip Island?

Chatters · 11 Nov 2006, 23:47 (Ref:1763727)

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Originally Posted by team drinkalot

and I also believe that Garth slowed to let Rick through.

Well as if he's going to fight over room with his teammate who's in contention for the championship...

Rombles1 · 11 Nov 2006, 23:52 (Ref:1763735)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Was 'Mr Oswald' employed by VESA to get some more people thru the gate at Phillip Island?

Nah, won't they just use some of their inflatible crowd from OP?

Over Rev · 12 Nov 2006, 00:02 (Ref:1763743)

Interesting though that when other cars were wizzing past a car 16 that the GRM car took a whole lap and still had to brake late into the hairpin and locked a brake to get through. How well are those blokes going!!

Rombles1 · 12 Nov 2006, 01:32 (Ref:1763852)

Considering that Tander won race 2, and that Todd finished one spot in front of Rick and would have had plenty of time to let him past, can we please now put this to bed? And don't try to use the "but Todd isn't Rick's team-mate" line, cos last round we were having the "they're cheating by having 4 cars in the team to help Rick" argument. You can't have it both ways.

**GTRMagic** · 12 Nov 2006, 01:55 (Ref:1763857)

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Originally Posted by Rombles1

Considering that Tander won race 2, and that Todd finished one spot in front of Rick and would have had plenty of time to let him past, can we please now put this to bed? And don't try to use the "but Todd isn't Rick's team-mate" line, cos last round we were having the "they're cheating by having 4 cars in the team to help Rick" argument. You can't have it both ways.

Mr R Kelly finished 0.2s in front of Will Davison in R2... and 8 seconds behind Mr T Kelly... so the opportunity to do a swapsie without possibly losing a place to Mr Davison was not there....

sizzle · 12 Nov 2006, 02:40 (Ref:1763869)

Fair dinkum you guys could find a conspiracy in a packet of corn flakes.

1200Datto27 · 12 Nov 2006, 02:54 (Ref:1763870)

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Originally Posted by sizzle

Fair dinkum you guys could find a conspiracy in a packet of corn flakes.

Only 1 in every 3 packets though...

Chatters · 12 Nov 2006, 02:55 (Ref:1763871)

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