[WEC] Toyota LMP1 Discussion

[Japanese Samurai]

Hisatake Murata (Toyota hybrid project leader) says (after Spa round) that they have secret weapons of TS040 for LM24.
Secret weapons are tested at Spa.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/47088019

[vincegail]

As long as these 'secret weapons' bring more speed and/or less fuel consumption, and don't stand in the way of reliability, bring it on!!!

[carbon_titanium]

Maybe could be a more aggressive low drag updated parts... a good amount of downforce and a lower drag to be faster on straigh and consume less. No doubts that 2014 LM is toyota call

[GasperG]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

That somewhat confirms that Toyota might not be running at the limit yet and still have some margin to play with.

Why? He said that the driver doesn't have to look at the fuel consumption all the time, he then says that the system (software) takes some engine power if the fuel consumption is too high. What margin is there left to play with?

... System dann selbstständig etwas Schub herausgenommen

[GT6]

I love that "a secret weapon" perhaps they are going to shoot the tyres on the porsche and audi cars

[Bandicoot17]

The three position lights are actually lasers (The living daylights style)!!...

I wonder if they've found some more top speed, that's an area were Porsche do have a slight upper hand.

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by GasperG

Why? He said that the driver doesn't have to look at the fuel consumption all the time, he then says that the system (software) takes some engine power if the fuel consumption is too high. What margin is there left to play with?

Put that on speculation on my part then

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by GT6

I love that "a secret weapon" perhaps they are going to shoot the tyres on the porsche and audi cars

or maybe EMP rifles placed under the diveplanes to shut down porsche and audi ERS

[gwyllion]

According to http://www.motorsport-total.com/wec/...-14050802.html Toyota will do a 3 day performance test in Spa-Francorchamps starting from May 20.

Audi and Porsche on the other hand will do a 30 hour endurance test before Le Mans.

[carbon_titanium]

The 30 hours test will be done at paul ricard?

[Articus]

I like to think of Le Mans as more of a 5 on 2. Still doesn't hurt toyota's chances thought especially if it's reliable

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

The 30 hours test will be done at paul ricard?

Porsche will be testing at Circuit de Aragon.

[carbon_titanium]

Toyota tested there in 2013 (and surely in 2014 too)

[Bandicoot17]

They did an endurance test there a few months ago.

HDF package and it rained.

[carbon_titanium]

well if they seek for rain, spa is the best place in the world

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Hisatake Murata (Toyota hybrid project leader) says (after Spa round) that they have secret weapons of TS040 for LM24.
Secret weapons are tested at Spa.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/47088019

Originally Posted by GT6

I love that "a secret weapon" perhaps they are going to shoot the tyres on the porsche and audi cars

I read this while watching a Bond movie .

But yes, let's not hope it's a secret weapon like Peugeot's Titanium Rods

[Articus]

Or the TS020's self-deflating tyres...

This will be one of the most intriguing Le Mans races in a long time especially if the Porsche runs reliably.

[GT6]

Well we will know more in 3 weeks time as we settle down to look at the figures from the test day

[wewantourdarbyback]

A smokescreen.

Although the R10s and 908s used to create those...

[GT6]

A few of the old cars had a good try at being the flying car from "the man with the golden gun"

[wewantourdarbyback]

Oil slick.

(c) AMR-1

Edit: There is a joke in this about invisibility and the JLOC Lambo, but I'll leave it.

On a serious note I can't imagine what they mean, unless they can turn the wick up for LM?

[TF110]

It is noted theyre not using the full potential of their hybrid system so far. Spa has a few braking zones, but only two follow very long straights. Silverstone was the same, not many large braking areas. But Le Mans is much better for them in that respect. You can see from the beginning of the lap to the end of mulsanne there are 4 braking areas that are very heavy. Dunlop, the two chicanes and mulsanne corner. I doubt this is considered secret or a weapon. Maybe a flexi wing. Could be the rumored part they trialed last year but decided against? Japanese Samurai filled us in about that before if you recall.

[gwyllion]

Toyota and Porsche could use 4.78 MJ of hybrid energy in Spa. That is already at 80% of what is possible in Le Mans.

BTW flexible wings are prohibited by the deflection test in the regulations.

[gustavobamba]

By bet for their secret weapon is the Hybrid system :-)

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Toyota and Porsche could use 4.78 MJ of hybrid energy in Spa. That is already at 80% of what is possible in Le Mans.

Vasselon did however claim after the qualifications at Spa that Toyota could not make full use of their ERS, whether at Silverstone or Spa. He however also suggests that Porsche were likely able to do so thanks to the ERS-H:

« Si l’on s’en tient au résultat brut des essais, Porsche va gagner. Fin du débat. Mais en fait, les spécificités de leur système hybride leur apportent un avantage ici sur quelques tours. Avec les batteries, ils peuvent stocker de l’énergie jusqu’au maximum réglementaire puis décider de la libérer en une seule fois. Nous ne le pouvons tout simplement pas. Avec les super-condensateurs, nous ne pouvons pas stocker l’énergie longtemps, nous devons la libérer rapidement. Or ici, pas plus qu’Ã* Silverstone, nous ne pouvons utiliser notre système hybride au maximum de ce que nous autorise le règlement. Nous ne pouvons pas récupérer suffisamment d’énergie sur les freinages contrairement Ã* Bahrain par exemple. Les Porsche par contre, avec leur système hybride sur le turbo, peuvent même récupérer de l’énergie en ligne droite. Notre système sera pleinement efficient au Mans avec ses nombreux gros freinages mais pas ici. Cependant, en course, le système Porsche rentre dans le rang au bout de plusieurs tours. »

(source: endurance-info.com)