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Old 25 Feb 2016, 06:31 (Ref:3617584)   #196
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Most Escorts do seem to have Warrior, Vauxhall Red Top or Duratec 2 litre to 2.5 litre engines and 6 speed sequential gear boxes, but the really trick ones have 2.5 litre Millingtons, and all seemed to be described as "Group 4", even though that is a long way far from the truth.
At least rallying has a category for cars with non homologated engines and boxes- It's when you find a 'Gp2' Escort in your class at a high profile race meeting has a 2.3-2.4 Connaught 'Pinto' or a 6 speed sequential that you start to lose the will.....
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Old 25 Feb 2016, 14:53 (Ref:3617702)   #197
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At least rallying has a category for cars with non homologated engines and boxes- It's when you find a 'Gp2' Escort in your class at a high profile race meeting has a 2.3-2.4 Connaught 'Pinto' or a 6 speed sequential that you start to lose the will.....
The organisers would have to be seriously dumb to accept this in a historic event..!

Funny is that here in France there was what everyone called "the hidden warrior" Mk1 Escort RS2000, with HTP and everything. For years, people had been complaining that the engine wasn't right, that the pinto was over bored, head was not a holbay one and so on... Then came the checks in June 2015 after an organiser decided to have a look at it. It was all legal ! But people still complained.

The real parameter was and still is the thing between the wheel and the seat..
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Old 26 Feb 2016, 06:53 (Ref:3617884)   #198
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Not that different to Historic racing then Mike.
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Old 26 Feb 2016, 06:57 (Ref:3617887)   #199
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The organisers would have to be seriously dumb to accept this in a historic event..!

Funny is that here in France there was what everyone called "the hidden warrior" Mk1 Escort RS2000, with HTP and everything. For years, people had been complaining that the engine wasn't right, that the pinto was over bored, head was not a holbay one and so on... Then came the checks in June 2015 after an organiser decided to have a look at it. It was all legal ! But people still complained.

The real parameter was and still is the thing between the wheel and the seat..
Similar situation with the Tice Conoley Marcos last year.Everybody complaining it was too fast .Scrutineers decided to have a look insde the engine,lots of red faces around the paddock.

"Dont develope the car so its faster than you"When the car starts to feel not as quick,then develope it a bit further.
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Old 26 Feb 2016, 08:05 (Ref:3617896)   #200
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Similar situation with the Tice Conoley Marcos last year.Everybody complaining it was too fast .Scrutineers decided to have a look insde the engine,lots of red faces around the paddock.
Yes, but those red faces appear to have had their revenge now!
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Old 26 Feb 2016, 10:33 (Ref:3617925)   #201
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Maybe,but two years running winning the championship cannot be taken away from them.Being partly responsible for the cars build,I know for a fact it was 100 percent compliant,so happy enough about it.
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I had my engine size checked twice in one season because I was consistently beating a lot of the next class up, in the end the complainants admitted defeat.
A car that is well driven (and more importantly) everything on that car works in harmony and handles like the driver want's it to is the answer, not just big cc.
In all honesty a few more CCs make sod all difference IMHO !
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Old 5 Mar 2016, 10:57 (Ref:3620175)   #203
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Great post Gordon. Some drivers just need to realise that however good they think they are, someone else is going to be better in the same car; sometimes substantially so.
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Old 7 Mar 2016, 08:20 (Ref:3620804)   #204
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I ran a bigger engine with CTCRC 5-6 years ago . . . it highlighted driver/handling deficiencies. Once they were ironed out the car went just as well with the smaller FiA engine.

most engines are ill conceived lash ups. getting all the components in harmony as Gordon suggests makes a hell of a difference.
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Old 7 Mar 2016, 08:52 (Ref:3620814)   #205
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Although I can't argue with any of the above, when you combine an exceptional nut behind the wheel, all the oily bits harmonised AND an oversize engine producing more power / torque, then the car must surely be faster than one with less power / torque?

Apologies for going OT.....
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Old 7 Mar 2016, 21:28 (Ref:3621024)   #206
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The skill of the aimer will always be the most important factor but when an allegedly identical car follows you through a tight corner then leaves you standing in a straight drag, no amount of skill can compensate. We've all been there! There are cars and there are cars.
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Just heard that the Marcos 1800 is no longer being granted papers - bit of shame from my point of view as I have always loved quirky British cars
Once homologation has been revoked does this mean even those cars with current papers have them removed ?

Just had a look at the latest update posted by Louis on the other FIA themed thread and it clearly still provides for the Marcos GT (Volvo) in Period F.

So the rumour may be just that.....a rumour

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Just had a look at the latest update posted by Louis on the other FIA themed thread and it clearly still provides for the Marcos GT (Volvo) in Period F.
I'm wondering if what's rumoured to be going on is not on the radar of the AppK editor.....

At RR I had a long chat with one of the gents Terence refers to in his last post, and from his response, I got the impression it's happening. I guess organisers may make their own decision on whether to allow any particular car to race with them in the meantime!
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Could just be another Cobra-E Type-MGB thing Mike,it is the regular thing this time of year after all.
In my chosen line of work I am sometimes very surprised by some drivers whom you think "how the **** will I help him/her improve-drive faster etc.
There is one case that really has given surprising results.Ex LM driver,testdriver for top F1 team etc etc.Very pleasant person and fun to sit next to.He realised there were a couple of things he needed to sort out with his approach to driving,been very very surprised by his increase in speed and smoothness.He now has an R8 Audi seat in the 24 Hr VLN with Audi DE team.
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Great post Gordon. Some drivers just need to realise that however good they think they are, someone else is going to be better in the same car; sometimes substantially so.
I obviously fitted the 3.5lt Kent Pushrod engine in for qualifying Sorry about the copy I need a new scanner.
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