Montreal GP future: Bernie demands $40M in renovations & a fee increase - Page 3

**Bononi** · 13 Mar 2013, 22:24 (Ref:3218085)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

... I have studied urban planning and geography...

You might have studied but you clearly don't know Brazil. Brasilia is the political/administrative capital of Brazil. That's not where the money is. São Paulo is the financial/economic heart of South America (not only Brazil), it's the prime destination for executive tourism and more, São Paulo is the heart of motorsport in Brazil. Ayrton Senna, Barrichello, Felipe Massa, Emerson Fittipaldi are all paulistanos (São Paulo city born), is so natural to have a race there. Furthermore, 2014 World Cup will be held in São Paulo also as the football matches and other sports for Rio 2016. I will not go down into more details as it's a waste of time and space, but is only natural to São Paulo to hold a Grand Prix, for his pontential, power, tradition in motorsport and all things related.

P.S.: Your description of São Paulo is not accurated, but that's off topic...

The Happy Track Fan · 14 Mar 2013, 00:15 (Ref:3218125)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

I'd love for all the track promoters to get together and tell bernie to go **** himself.

BRAVO, BRAVO!!! JOLLY WELL SAID!!!!

Beetle · 14 Mar 2013, 00:19 (Ref:3218128)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

You might have studied but you clearly don't know Brazil. Brasilia is the political/administrative capital of Brazil. That's not where the money is. São Paulo is the financial/economic heart of South America (not only Brazil), it's the prime destination for executive tourism and more, São Paulo is the heart of motorsport in Brazil. Ayrton Senna, Barrichello, Felipe Massa, Emerson Fittipaldi are all paulistanos (São Paulo city born), is so natural to have a race there. Furthermore, 2014 World Cup will be held in São Paulo also as the football matches and other sports for Rio 2016. I will not go down into more details as it's a waste of time and space, but is only natural to São Paulo to hold a Grand Prix, for his pontential, power, tradition in motorsport and all things related.

P.S.: Your description of São Paulo is not accurated, but that's off topic...

This is ALL completely off topic. We're supposed to be discussing Montreal, and now we're all pointing fingers at Sao Paulo. I'm sorry I brought this up in the first place. This is the very last I'm going to say on this issue...

I see your point. Basically, it all comes down to aesthetics. Sao Paulo is a really dirty, dingy, bad place in my opinion, and I'd much rather see F1 in Rio or Brasilia, but that's your opinion and I respect it. By the way, if I am interpreting you right, you are saying the 2014 final match for the World Cup is in Sao Paulo? That's not correct... its in Estadio do Maracana, Rio.

All this being said, I do know Brazil. Please, don't put words in my mouth. Sao Paulo is the financial capital and where all the money is. I should rephrase my original statement: Brasilia is where all the POWER is. Government is power... power is government. However, government can't be properly sustained without money, and that's what Sao Paulo has. Rio is the tourist and sporting capital. Brasilia is also the agricultural capital, as well as governmental, economic, and administrative. The rest are just large cities with semi-large tourist and sporting activities. In conclusion, there is no reason, in my opinion, for F1 to stay in Sao Paulo.

That's all I'm going to say about that. On Canada, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve is a very nice venue and it doesn't seem run down to me at all. However, if they want to renovate, I'd suggest they stop that idea and move on from Montreal. Toronto is like Canada's Sao Paulo, except it is a heck of a lot safer, cleaner, and nicer (IMHO). It is the financial powerhouse of Canada and has the most people... plus a lot of nice, empty land, which would be good for racetrack building. Like someone mentioned before, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve is resting on a man-made island that was built for the World's Fair in '67... Ile Notre Dame. There is relatively limited space on those fairgrounds. As a result, there is almost no geographical room for development... at least not on Ile Notre Dame. In my opinion, turn the fairgrounds into a one-weekend party, every year... make it the IndyCar / ALMS doubleheader of something like that. Keep Formula 1 on its toes and build a purpose-built circuit in Toronto, Vancouver, or even Montreal, if they feel so inclined.

Marbot · 14 Mar 2013, 01:06 (Ref:3218134)

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Originally Posted by The Happy Track Fan

BRAVO, BRAVO!!! JOLLY WELL SAID!!!!

But you know that he would just use the old 'divide and rule' method to get some promoters back on his side. What do I mean "know that he would" - he is!

**Bononi** · 14 Mar 2013, 01:08 (Ref:3218136)

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Furthermore, 2014 World Cup will be held in São Paulo ALSO

São Paulo is one of the 12 host cities and the opening match of the WC 2014 will be in the Itaquera Stadium (http://www.portal2014.org.br/en/host-cities/SAO+PAULO/)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

All this being said, I do know Brazil.

You do know Brazil, I am the one who doesn't know Brazil.

Then it won't be a problem to read portuguese on that portal.

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Originally Posted by Beetle

Rio is the tourist and sporting capital

Sporting capital ????

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Originally Posted by Beetle

Brasilia is also the agricultural capital, as well as governmental, economic, and administrative. The rest are just large cities with semi-large tourist and sporting activities.

Oh my... oh my, you surely know Brazil

I never... oh, what about Buenos Aires ??

Agricultural ?

and mining ? Oil ?

The rest are just...

I'm sorry, I just don't know Brazil, I'm totally lost now.

Beetle · 14 Mar 2013, 01:28 (Ref:3218148)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I said :

São Paulo is one of the 12 host cities and the opening match of the WC 2014 will be in the Itaquera Stadium (http://www.portal2014.org.br/en/host-cities/SAO+PAULO/)

You do know Brazil, I am the one who doesn't know Brazil.

Then it won't be a problem to read portuguese on that portal.

Sporting capital ????

Oh my... oh my, you surely know Brazil

I never... oh, what about Buenos Aires ??

Agricultural ?

and mining ? Oil ?

The rest are just...

I'm sorry, I just don't know Brazil, I'm totally lost now.

As you are the moderator, it seems ironic that I should be telling you this, but I quote directly from the thread titled 'ATTENTION : Postings in the F1 Forum - Please read". This was the first thing I ever read on this forum. I think it needs to be rehashed.

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We have noticed a worrying trend creeping into the F1 forum, where no argument will be brooked and opposing viewpoints are either ridiculed or taken to extremes. We believe this is stifling good discussion.

First and foremost 10 Tenths is a discussion forum – be aware that not everyone will agree with your viewpoint – that doesn’t make it wrong or right – just different.

So don't bite my head off for this. My viewpoint's "just different"... I'm sorry if it offended you. I don't appreciate someone mocking my knowledge of the world or taunting me sarcastically about my previous post. I get the impression you intend to make a mockery out of my statement... that's just out of line, bro.

**Bononi** · 14 Mar 2013, 01:34 (Ref:3218153)

Well, as you said, you do know Brazil, and I'll give you that.

Enough of knowledge of the world, I have to figure out where I'm living !

Beetle · 14 Mar 2013, 01:36 (Ref:3218154)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Well, as you said, you do know Brazil, and I'll give you that.

Enough of knowledge of the world, I have to figure out where I'm living !

Are you feeling alright, Bononi?

**garcon** · 14 Mar 2013, 09:23 (Ref:3218225)

Beetle dear chap, you really shouldn't take Bononi's comments too personally.

You have to admit there's a certain irony in you saying "I do know Brazil" to a resident Brazilian.

Beetle · 14 Mar 2013, 12:38 (Ref:3218284)

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Originally Posted by garcon

Beetle dear chap, you really shouldn't take Bononi's comments too personally.

You have to admit there's a certain irony in you saying "I do know Brazil" to a resident Brazilian.

I didn't know he was Brazilian!!!

NaBUru38 · 14 Mar 2013, 13:22 (Ref:3218298)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

Sao Paulo is the financial capital and where all the money is.

Brasilia is where all the POWER is.

Rio is the tourist and sporting capital.

Rio is the soul of Brazil. And it's the sporting capital too: it has Interlagos, and 28 football titles, versus a demolished Jacarepaguá and 15 football titles.

Beetle · 14 Mar 2013, 20:50 (Ref:3218511)

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Rio is the soul of Brazil. And it's the sporting capital too: it has Interlagos, and 28 football titles, versus a demolished Jacarepaguá and 15 football titles.

I agree, Rio is the soul of Brazil. I'm supposing you're referring to Sao Paulo in the second sentence, though?

OK, let's stop talking about Brazil, shall we?

By gosh, we have the first race of the championship of 2013 coming up in a couple of days and we're talking about boring contract offers years ahead! Let's live in the moment!

wolfhound · 14 Mar 2013, 21:08 (Ref:3218523)

This thread was orginally about Montreal, should we have a seperate one for Brazil?

Beetle · 14 Mar 2013, 23:45 (Ref:3218618)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

This thread was orginally about Montreal, should we have a seperate one for Brazil?

Yes, but that would be like dropping Little Boy over Hiroshima at this point.

**JeremySmith** · 16 Mar 2013, 19:17 (Ref:3219519)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

I agree, Rio is the soul of Brazil. I'm supposing you're referring to Sao Paulo in the second sentence, though?

OK, let's stop talking about Brazil, shall we?

By gosh, we have the first race of the championship of 2013 coming up in a couple of days and we're talking about boring contract offers years ahead! Let's live in the moment!

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