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Old 7 Apr 2019, 13:39 (Ref:3895926)   #226
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Thanks tortoise, I see the #15 Stang won the race first. Whatever the contravention, now everyone knows things have change. Seriously.
My information is coming from here: https://www.tsl-timing.com/event/191465

As you will see the GM R1 was updated at 1400
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Old 7 Apr 2019, 15:16 (Ref:3895965)   #227
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What's Reg 3.1.2 to 3.1.3.
My rumour mill says Gp2 brakes in the case of the Faberge car
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Old 7 Apr 2019, 15:22 (Ref:3895967)   #228
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Old 7 Apr 2019, 15:42 (Ref:3895971)   #229
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Apologies - it is the Mustang that has potentially been excluded due to the brakes
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Old 7 Apr 2019, 16:47 (Ref:3895991)   #230
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Good to see Ric first Capri, well deserved imo. Still the Golf is amazing. I guess the Jägermeister Escort is Mike's former car, right? Thanks again tortoise!
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Old 8 Apr 2019, 07:47 (Ref:3896156)   #231
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The pinnacle of historic motorsport . . . . What's the f***ing point!

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Old 8 Apr 2019, 08:08 (Ref:3896161)   #232
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The Goodwood coverage on ITV4 last night had a short piece on the build of the Mini Traveller that raced in the Mini race. To all intents & purposes it was a new car, but I guess many of the others were too...
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Old 8 Apr 2019, 08:08 (Ref:3896162)   #233
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Had a great w/e at Goodwood , great mini races.
Gerry Marshall race always our favourite (group 1 or 1.5 ?) faberge' capri eng built with roller rockers by the man to go to for capri engines ?? standard rockers sent out at last minute to most other customers ???? Back of the grid penalty.

Yank tank with group 2 brakes ? another back of grid penalty.

These now all seem to be built to Group Goodwood ??

although the racing / driving standards were much much better for this meeting, may be lack of BTCC drivers tidied this up ???
Only other gripe was big screen showing the dammm Ox/Bridge boat race live instead of live motor racing.
Weather was good to us both days, car park not over full, easy in & out. roll on September.
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Old 8 Apr 2019, 09:06 (Ref:3896179)   #234
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Watched the highlights programme on Channel 4 yesterday, and to say that I was underwhelmed would be an overstatement. It would seem to have been done on the cheap, and from a motorsport point of view, I didn't recognise any of the presenters or commentators.

An example, to call one of the Bentleys in the John Duff Trophy race, as they waited in the marshalling area, as a BMW was unforgivable.
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Old 8 Apr 2019, 09:17 (Ref:3896181)   #235
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The pinnacle of historic motorsport . . . . What's the f***ing point!

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The point is, that if you had no racing spares available there would soon be no racing.
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Old 8 Apr 2019, 09:25 (Ref:3896182)   #236
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Well that's pretty obvious. My point is, to use a music analogy, you are being sold the Jimi Hendrix experience, The Who, Janis Joplin and Billie Holiday, but getting a covers band. At least the Sillystone classic actually has covers bands as well so you're under no illusion as to the authenticity of what you're buying into.

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Old 8 Apr 2019, 09:30 (Ref:3896185)   #237
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Watched the highlights programme on Channel 4 yesterday, and to say that I was underwhelmed would be an overstatement. It would seem to have been done on the cheap, and from a motorsport point of view, I didn't recognise any of the presenters or commentators.

An example, to call one of the Bentleys in the John Duff Trophy race, as they waited in the marshalling area, as a BMW was unforgivable.
I too 'watched' the programme yesterday evening and came away very disappointed. Apart from some of the action (and old names from my past) in the Mini race it was like the TV equivalent of lift music! It looked like a home movie the two presenters had decided to make!
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Old 8 Apr 2019, 09:30 (Ref:3896186)   #238
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Had a great w/e at Goodwood , great mini races.
Gerry Marshall race always our favourite (group 1 or 1.5 ?) faberge' capri eng built with roller rockers by the man to go to for capri engines ?? standard rockers sent out at last minute to most other customers ???? Back of the grid penalty.

Yank tank with group 2 brakes ? another back of grid penalty.

These now all seem to be built to Group Goodwood ??

although the racing / driving standards were much much better for this meeting, may be lack of BTCC drivers tidied this up ???
Only other gripe was big screen showing the dammm Ox/Bridge boat race live instead of live motor racing.
Weather was good to us both days, car park not over full, easy in & out. roll on September.
Taking your point, doesn't the fact that these cars were penalised mean that the organisers are clamping down?

They are Group 1 or Group 1.5 as permitted by the BSCC in period. That said there are still some things gs that grate with me but as I'm unlikely to be there again I'm not too bothered.
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Watched the highlights programme on Channel 4 yesterday, and to say that I was underwhelmed would be an overstatement. It would seem to have been done on the cheap, and from a motorsport point of view, I didn't recognise any of the presenters or commentators.

An example, to call one of the Bentleys in the John Duff Trophy race, as they waited in the marshalling area, as a BMW was unforgivable.

I thought that's what he said & couldn't quite believe it!

They also spelt Neel Jani as Yani on the screen too.
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There was some great racing at Goodwood and all you people can do is moan!
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There was some great racing at Goodwood and all you people can do is moan!
Which makes my 'moan' more pertinent. My only way of seeing this good racing was the supposed highlights programme shown on TV. If the racing was good as you say, then those supposed highlights did not show that!
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They do a lot of that on here Kieth. Yes some fantastic driving.
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Old 8 Apr 2019, 10:07 (Ref:3896197)   #243
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I think the complaints are about the coverage, not the racing. I was disappointed to find that although I'm a fully paid up member the system wouldn't recognise my details.
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Watched the highlights programme on Channel 4 yesterday, and to say that I was underwhelmed would be an overstatement. It would seem to have been done on the cheap, and from a motorsport point of view, I didn't recognise any of the presenters or commentators.

An example, to call one of the Bentleys in the John Duff Trophy race, as they waited in the marshalling area, as a BMW was unforgivable.
Given how quickly it was on I assumed it was a repeat of last years and didn't record it, however I did find it on ITV catch up.
It was clearly done quickly and given the time frame thought it was OK and presumably shows the stuff that the mass/paying public are interested in.

I recognised Julia Bradbury but not the bloke and found it really annoying that he hadn't done the basic research of checking how people's (and car's) names are pronounced etc.
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The thing is, are our expectations unrealistic? I've been thinking about this a lot....

.....Not long ago there was no Internet to show live streaming let alone free. Why should it be free? One doesn't expect to walk into the meeting FOC, and many people have said "the TV coverage was like being there." If you're "there" perhaps you should expect to pay?

If the internet wasn't there we wouldn't be watching, free or paid for. They're a commercial business, no reason to give it away and stop people coming through the doors.

I suppose it's the same argument over F1 and FTA TV. The more I think about it, the more I think I'm unreasonable expecting it free. However in the case of F1 it's hardly "free" because by having a huge audience we do pay for it through our licence fee/buying advertisers' goods etc.

I think it's just the transition from "free" to "paying" that's unpleasant.
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I gather that the driving standards were unacceptable to the winning driver in one race. He described "the whole race as very unpleasant"
As the lead drivers battled both competitors were seen on the grass and hand gestures were plentiful.
Words were exchanged in Parc Ferme afterwards.
All very un Goodwood like.
But thats what you get with..... Edwardian racers!
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Who were the circuit commentators?
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Marcus Pye, being very sadly under-underutilised; Doug Nye briefly and was then cut off before he could say anything informative and accurate; Toby Somebody who did not cover himself in glory and to rub it in repeated every bon mot he was pleased with, however much tosh it was. Should not be let near a microphone without a period of education about historic racing. And someone else who obviously came out of the same bag and was probably called Dom or Ollie.
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Ah right. Toby Moody, motorbike commentator. Apart from Marcus I don't know the others.

Also understand that the grids were comprised of all the same historic racers.
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