Supercars Gen 3 (2022)

[Gaz170]

The only way another manufacturer is likely to get involved would be if someone did a deal like Erebus/Mercedes where the team fully funds it.

I'm highly doubtful such a deal would be done but would be happy if it happened.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Gaz170

The only way another manufacturer is likely to get involved would be if someone did a deal like Erebus/Mercedes where the team fully funds it.

Why are Supercars even organising a Chevrolet Camaro? Shouldn't it be a Ford Mustang Cup by virtue of being the last manufacture left sponsoring the category?

[V8 Fireworks]

It increasingly seems that a balance-of-performance between GT3 and SC regulations would be the best solution, yet Supercars have mentioned nothing of the sort?

It would be a way to instantly involve the BMW M4 GT3, Nissan GT-R GT3, Lexus RC-F GT3, AMG GT GT3 and Audi R8 GT3 among others (with sporting parity to those running the Camaro SC and Mustang SC, so all seven brands can fight for victory!)...



Without such regulations, there seems little other way to get Walkinshaw BMWs, Erebus Mercedes, Kelly Nissans, Audi Performance Centre Audis and so forth onto the 'Supercars'/ATCC grid.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

It increasingly seems that a balance-of-performance between GT3 and SC regulations would be the best solution, yet Supercars have mentioned nothing of the sort?

It would be a way to instantly involve the BMW M4 GT3, Nissan GT-R GT3, Lexus RC-F GT3, AMG GT GT3 and Audi R8 GT3 among others (with sporting parity to those running the Camaro SC and Mustang SC, so all seven brands can fight for victory!)...



Without such regulations, there seems little other way to get Walkinshaw BMWs, Erebus Mercedes, Kelly Nissans, Audi Performance Centre Audis and so forth onto the 'Supercars'/ATCC grid.

Who knows what will come out of the ashes of the SC era in the event of a change of promoter. One thing is for sure, it will have to be something it isn't now and the options seem to be getting less as time and industry change moves on.

[chunterer]

In that case call Reiter Engineering and ask them to re-homologate their Camaro for SC!!

Why not just go for GT3 chassis and powertrains with touring/sedan bodies?

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Why not just go for GT3 chassis and powertrains with touring/sedan bodies?

That could work, but Supercars prefers coupes.

Supercars could always officially homologate their Camaro and Mustang GT3 cars if they want (but that wouldn't be necessary really).

[Matt K]

It increasingly seems that a balance-of-performance between GT3 and SC regulations would be the best solution, yet Supercars have mentioned nothing of the sort?

Seems to whom?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Seems to whom?

Anyone who wants more than just a Camaro and a Mustang on the grid?

[Matt K]

I'd like to see more but heading the GT3 way is absolutely wrong idea.

[S griffin]

We have a good enough field atm, just hope enough stay and hopefully a few more join. No need to change the formula, it just maybe needs a few changes internally. No need to go GT3, it's mostly fine how it is

[Matt K]

Especially as comparing to Supercars, GT3 cars are a bit unimpressive - not as tough to drive, the BOP still doesn't work ideally and we'd have similar conversations as with DTM now in relation to ADAC GT - what would make Supercars differ from Australian GT?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by S griffin

We have a good enough field atm, just hope enough stay and hopefully a few more join. No need to change the formula, it just maybe needs a few changes internally. No need to go GT3, it's mostly fine how it is

That is just ignoring the reality of what has happened in the last few years with both Holden and Ford stopping manufacturing in this country so the Commodore and Falcon have gone and they were the original focus of the series. The fans related to those cars but that can't happen anymore. Kill the roots and the tree dies.

[Tony C]

The cheapest short term option would be to grab a bunch of TA2 cars, drop 6 speed sequential boxes in, run 18 inch radial tyres, and we have a cheaper version of what they are developing now. If they want centrelock wheels you could use a bolt on conversion.

Then in 3 years after the new category owners have settled in they can go to gen 3 (whatever that is).

[BlueMax]

Why do you need 6 speed gearboxes in the TA2 cars or 18" radial tyres. If you want to make a change, change the wheel from 15" steel to alloy to make them look a bit prettier. Keep the tyres they have know. The fact that the car moves around is one of the beauties of the class.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by BlueMax

Why do you need 6 speed gearboxes in the TA2 cars or 18" radial tyres. If you want to make a change, change the wheel from 15" steel to alloy to make them look a bit prettier. Keep the tyres they have know. The fact that the car moves around is one of the beauties of the class.

At least they would get rid of the dopey diff they use now. Take that away and the cars would be cheaper to build now as the front end would be much simpler and the need to drive through corners on two wheels goes away as well.

[S griffin]

There is definitely a few things they need to do with the cars. They are fine, just too expensive.

[S griffin]

Less tech would make it better. And more affordable

[Compromised]

From Motor1.com article -

"The Chevrolet Camaro logged just 2,792 sales for the same period, representing a deathly 58.2-percent drop compared to last year"

Future's looking bright for Gen3!

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Compromised

From Motor1.com article -

"The Chevrolet Camaro logged just 2,792 sales for the same period, representing a deathly 58.2-percent drop compared to last year"

Future's looking bright for Gen3!

The Mustang is in decline too, although nothing like to the extent of the Camaro.... just to make things worse for the Gen 3 future.
Seems the Dodge Challenger is the one to have.

Camaro and Mustang sales have steadily declined in recent years while Challenger sales have been mostly stable. This also isn't the first time that Challenger outsold Mustang for a specific sales period,

https://www.motor1.com/news/517875/c...ro-sales-2021/

[S griffin]

Hopefully they find good replacements for their current cars. Although it's not looking great, hope they find a good solution. Having a Dodge in the series would be great, but not sure the chances of that are strong

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by E.B

The Mustang is in decline too, although nothing like to the extent of the Camaro.... just to make things worse for the Gen 3 future.
Seems the Dodge Challenger is the one to have.

I think it's important to separate sales from cars that we'd like to see race.

It is QUITE obvious from car sales trends that we care less about watching the cars that we buy race.

I had 2 Golfs for a total of 14 years, and now I have a Benz GLC.

I watched TCR for curiosity really but it didn't hold my interest. Supercars vehicles had the look (until the Mustang) and sound that I enjoyed watching, even though I was never going to buy a ZB or a Mustang.

I will enjoy watching a Mustang race a Camaro because they look good, and I'll be especially happy if the new engines have some more growl. I have heard comparisons from the test of the Gen3 GM motor, and people say it is more like the MARC v8 sound, which I really like.

If we can have 2 cars that don't look goofy, sound good, and there's equitable racing where a good driver with a good team can win when they get everything right, sign me up.

[Compromised]

If sales aren't relevant and the potential of cars racing in the series which are no longer for sale doesn't worry you, why did we ever move away from the Commodore/Falcon dynamic?

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Compromised

If sales aren't relevant and the potential of cars racing in the series which are no longer for sale doesn't worry you, why did we ever move away from the Commodore/Falcon dynamic?

'Cos they were no longer market relevant...... oh wait.......

[Casper]

The best option may be to go back to the last Commodore/Falcon and call it done. The Camaro in Oz is about as relevant as the Commodore/Falcon because none are now available.

[S griffin]

Obviously the current formula can still work, but can the cars be replaced