BTCC BTCC 2018 - Rounds 13, 14, 15 - Croft - Page 2

Matt K · 23 Jun 2018, 14:56 (Ref:3832666)

1-2 for Subaru. Some people will be so unhappy seeing Plato up there 😂😂
Jelley in the Top 10 shows that RWD cars are so strong here. I'm a bit surprised to see Goff way way down the order. And, as I'd expected, Simpson nowhere near top pace.

Craner Curves · 23 Jun 2018, 15:11 (Ref:3832672)

That stinks, but I'm not surprised.... An absolute scandal. What an embarrassment.

S griffin · 23 Jun 2018, 15:19 (Ref:3832673)

Not really that surprised to see the Scoobys up there, but well done Jelley on getting in the top ten. Shocker by all three Eurotech cars

Plato actually admitting he doesn’t push as hard when he’s well down the bottom end of the grid. I’m sure that will please Mr Scott knowing his star driver is not giving it his all unlike, Mr Sutton

RS67 · 23 Jun 2018, 15:20 (Ref:3832674)

No ballast, new front aero, 7bhp increase in boost ( I assume Swindon had also sorted out the crankshaft weakness too) RWD circuit. Seems fairly reasonable to be able to move from the back to the front.
Plato did cook his engine though so tomorrow may bring some more reliability woes.

porsche962fan · 23 Jun 2018, 15:23 (Ref:3832675)

seems 2017 is repeating with uncle Gow gave them too much boost

coppice · 23 Jun 2018, 16:10 (Ref:3832684)

Not much risk of the support races rivaling the main attraction is there? The Ecoboost 'race ' was dire- 13 cars making a white noise drone and most ran at least a second apart. Somebody thought of overtaking the guy in front once but thought better of it.

I suspect the crowd wouldn't know what hit them if a 36 car grid of FF1600s appeared - but there again I suspect most only watch BTCC

HopAlong · 23 Jun 2018, 16:15 (Ref:3832686)

I think they have just turned around their fortunes, at least for Croft. I don't know why people seem to think car that X can't be fast or car Y can be good at one circuit and not another. Anyway their speed traps are down by 3mph since 2016 (last dry qually) so read into that what you will. Just look at when TD are near the back at croft, people never say they've done a bad job, it always down to not being a FWD track while ignoring the many FWDs in front of them. The Fords seem to have more boost this year but they can race at the front with out complaints. I'm in no way a Plato/Sutton/BMR fan but there does seem to be hate for the sake of it.

Mike Harte · 23 Jun 2018, 16:17 (Ref:3832687)

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Originally Posted by coppice

I suspect the crowd wouldn't know what hit them if a 36 car grid of FF1600s appeared - but there again I suspect most only watch BTCC

Exactly the same at the British GP; the second that the F1 qualifying finishes, it almost as if the ground opens up and swallows all the spectators. What they don't know or realise is that the spectacle from the races that follow on are far more thrilling than anything that the F1 cars can produce, and you even see cars overtaking!

Racer65 · 23 Jun 2018, 16:37 (Ref:3832691)

Plato and Sutton aren't showing as anything special in the speed traps although they are off the absolute bottom now.

BobJones · 23 Jun 2018, 16:39 (Ref:3832694)

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Originally Posted by HopAlong

their speed traps are down by 3mph since 2016 (last dry qually) so read into that what you will.

Ambiguity leads to rampant speculation, sadly. But, what can be said is:

A dry Croft favours a RWD car. History books back that up.
The WSR RWD cars have championship ballast
Jelley does not have championship ballast, has been struggling all season, but on the RWD-advantageous circuit qualifies in the top 10
BMR-Subaru are running with updates on the car
BMR-Subaru do not have any championship ballast
BMR-Subaru has gone well at Croft in 2016 and 2017

BobJones · 23 Jun 2018, 16:39 (Ref:3832695)

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Originally Posted by Racer65

Plato and Sutton aren't showing as anything special in the speed traps although they are off the absolute bottom now.

Very nice. Thank you.

Alfisti · 23 Jun 2018, 16:50 (Ref:3832697)

If nothing else it shows the old man can peddle competitively; when fired up he is close to Sutton. I haven't really doubted that - but have thought he's well off from his best form this last 18 months.

Uncle Gow has presumably been up to some shenanigans given the Subaru pace and Jelley showing proper speed for the first time since his BTCC return. I don't credibly think Swindon/ Subaru have flipped a magic switch.

My money is still saying BMW - especially Colin - to fly off into the distance once some ballast is removed.

RS67 · 23 Jun 2018, 16:55 (Ref:3832698)

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Originally Posted by BobJones

Ambiguity leads to rampant speculation, sadly. But, what can be said is:

A dry Croft favours a RWD car. History books back that up.
The WSR RWD cars have championship ballast
Jelley does not have championship ballast, has been struggling all season, but on the RWD-advantageous circuit qualifies in the top 10
BMR-Subaru are running with updates on the car
BMR-Subaru do not have any championship ballast
BMR-Subaru has gone well at Croft in 2016 and 2017

According to closing comments from qualifying, Jelly has a new more powerful engine.

Racer65 · 23 Jun 2018, 18:41 (Ref:3832714)

That's right. They said at the start of the broadcast that Team Parker and BMR had both been given increased boost (200 millibars I believe they said) worth 5 to 7 bhp.

Sodemo · 23 Jun 2018, 18:50 (Ref:3832715)

Are TPR still using the older generation 2016 BMW engine?

Evantra · 23 Jun 2018, 19:19 (Ref:3832718)

Missed all the action today and came home to a very unusual result.

Don't want to say anything but does seem very strange for one team to go from last to first and others go from first to last.

So far all R1 poles have led to a win, so it's finally looking good for Sutton.

Starting to get sick of these Subarus though and all the arguments they seem to cause.

porsche962fan · 23 Jun 2018, 19:27 (Ref:3832720)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Starting to get sick of these Subarus though and all the arguments they seem to cause.

yes, didn't Uncle Gow say he wants a 26 car grid anyway ? best thing would be to get rid of the most controversial team and cars on the grid !!!!! plain and simple

GT6 · 23 Jun 2018, 19:48 (Ref:3832724)

Well unlike some on here i am happy that the subaru's have suddenly found something the whole reason i like btcc is that different cars win and the racing is close and exciting.

thlbtcc · 23 Jun 2018, 19:50 (Ref:3832725)

“There is now a little bit of performance increase from the engine but we are on the ragged edge with it – it’s so fragile. But everyone is working hard and we know that at some point, be that tomorrow or whenever, the planets will align and we’ll be on top.”

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2018...o-ragged-edge/

thlbtcc · 23 Jun 2018, 19:51 (Ref:3832726)

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Originally Posted by RS67

According to closing comments from qualifying, Jelly has a new more powerful engine.

Nice.

redshoes · 23 Jun 2018, 19:53 (Ref:3832727)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

So far all R1 poles have led to a win, so it's finally looking good for Sutton.

Don't count those chickens just yet.

Plato's car was over-heating during qualifying so he's lunched another engine.

porsche962fan · 23 Jun 2018, 20:48 (Ref:3832743)

could be ironic that Honda engine got another boost cut and this time not due TD success but Eurotech one ????

they are all so down the order

Eurotech 26, 27 and 28 are way way too down for them !!!

the TD did only marginally better 15 and 20

by comparison Tingram managed 5th with all that weight, something smells rotten fish here

Sodemo · 23 Jun 2018, 22:33 (Ref:3832756)

Is there somewhere you can go where it states all the weights the drivers are on for Quali and race 1?

850Estate · 24 Jun 2018, 07:39 (Ref:3832787)

I'm assuming this is the Tim Harvey, which might give us a bit more clarity on things.

Ultimately, like them or loathe them (and I think we're all agreed that we like watching Sutton) there is no way that him and Jason should be battling for 20th+ position. The big question mark today will be reliability. Three races in a short space of time.

Evantra · 24 Jun 2018, 07:43 (Ref:3832789)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Is there somewhere you can go where it states all the weights the drivers are on for Quali and race 1?

I believe they are shown on the warm up lap for the races, and I think pretty early on in the qualifying broadcast. Not sure if it's stated before that but it's fairly easy to work out from the top 10 in the championship + RWD

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