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24 May 2013, 20:45 (Ref:3252815) | #478 | |
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Tony Purnell has written an interesting article on why we now have Pirelli tyres that degrade to help make GP's more interesting.
http://www.pitpass.com/49081-Making-...One-Step-Three Anybody want to go back to the processions of the naughties if we have tyres that last a whole race? |
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25 May 2013, 08:43 (Ref:3252970) | #479 | |
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I guess a race where no pushes too much until the end of the race to conserve the crappy tires could be considered "exciting"...
these attention whores at pirelli certainly like to play the role of the knight in shining armor who saves f1 from becoming a borefest where everyone pushes the limits for the whole race, and they finish the race pretty much the same order as they qualified. They say they just did what it was asked of them, but they failed, they made a tire that only last for a couple of laps. Its time for them to go away and hopefully some other supplier can contruct a tire that lasts longer AND produce exciting racing. |
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I don't remember the tyres in the 80s or 90s having to be specifically designed to fall apart to produce good racing. All this DRS and rubbish tyres is just another band aid for the real problem which is the aero. As soon as someone does something about it, the better.
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The problem with that is when you've added 10 seconds of lap time to an F1 car, you've then got a whole load of other series that have a faster car than you do. You could say that it would then need the FIA to apply the same type of regulations to its other cars, but not all series are run by the FIA. |
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I thought it would be better to move the discussion about Mercedes test to this thread and keep the Monaco race thread clean
Horner have spoken, he's furious http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/05/26/r...-pirelli-test/ |
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26 May 2013, 09:40 (Ref:3253321) | #483 | |
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If they had used Caterham or Marussia to do the test I wonder would it have caused such a problem.
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- Widening the cars back to 2200mm - Widen the tyres, specifically the rears I'm sure the cars would still be slower, but i'd take say cars that were 5 seconds a lap slower if it meant that they could race well. The one thing I notice when I watch older footage of F1 cars is how much faster they are / were in the slower corners. That's mostly mechanical grip, grip from the chassis and the tyres. I'm speaking of the late 80's to early 90's kind of era. Speeding up the cars in these areas I think will help to balance out some of the aero loss. |
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I would imigine that Pirelli will be shooting in the dark for next year as the new engine characteristics will not be really known until they have one working in the back of a car. |
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Ferrari has said they used the 2010 car. Mercedes used their current car. Regulations state you cannot use current car for testing purposes. So there might yet be a headache for Mercedes.
RBR have officially lodged a complaint to the FIA. |
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26 May 2013, 11:06 (Ref:3253350) | #489 | |
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I think testing with a 2010 car is fair enough, much less data can be collected with old cars, and I understand that's why RBR turned down the offer to test with a 2010 car. If the tyres have problems as we've seen this year it can be good.
But doing a 3 full GPs distance testing with the fastest car of the grid, which can easily become a dominant one if the team manage to "learn something" during that test, it's just careless. |
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Now a protest???
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Red Bull protests Mercedes over secret Pirelli F1 tyre test
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Some more on the testing Adam Cooper has been talking to Paul Hembrey who was been evasive with some of his answers. This one is going to run some more by the looks of it.
The prime issue is the use of a current car a 2010 model would not have been a problem. http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/05/26/p...t-controversy/ |
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Ted Kravitz's extended notebook programme could be interesting.
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Its seems like the stewards have kicked to touch on this one and sent the protest to the FIA via a report.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/05/26/n...mercedes-test/ |
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"The FIA says it only sanctioned the use of a 2013 Formula 1 chassis at the recent Mercedes tyre test if Pirelli ran the car, and if every team was offered the same opportunity to take part."
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According to them every team was offered the chance and none apart from Merc showed interest. Also The FIA say that chassis must be run by pirelli and not the usual team.
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