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Old 24 May 2013, 03:49 (Ref:3252500)   #476
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So then a Mercedes might get through with 2 stops and win from pole and hamilton will be able to run flat out for the whole race!
or his gearbox will fail 10 laps in </Singapore>
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Old 24 May 2013, 12:37 (Ref:3252622)   #477
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Old 24 May 2013, 20:45 (Ref:3252815)   #478
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Tony Purnell has written an interesting article on why we now have Pirelli tyres that degrade to help make GP's more interesting.

http://www.pitpass.com/49081-Making-...One-Step-Three

Anybody want to go back to the processions of the naughties if we have tyres that last a whole race?
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Old 25 May 2013, 08:43 (Ref:3252970)   #479
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I guess a race where no pushes too much until the end of the race to conserve the crappy tires could be considered "exciting"...

these attention whores at pirelli certainly like to play the role of the knight in shining armor who saves f1 from becoming a borefest where everyone pushes the limits for the whole race, and they finish the race pretty much the same order as they qualified. They say they just did what it was asked of them, but they failed, they made a tire that only last for a couple of laps. Its time for them to go away and hopefully some other supplier can contruct a tire that lasts longer AND produce exciting racing.
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Old 25 May 2013, 08:49 (Ref:3252975)   #480
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I don't remember the tyres in the 80s or 90s having to be specifically designed to fall apart to produce good racing. All this DRS and rubbish tyres is just another band aid for the real problem which is the aero. As soon as someone does something about it, the better.
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Old 25 May 2013, 18:21 (Ref:3253098)   #481
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I don't remember the tyres in the 80s or 90s having to be specifically designed to fall apart to produce good racing.
That's because the tyre manufacturers back then were still trying extremely hard to find both speed and endurance from their tyres. But now it's easy to make an F1 tyre that does both of those things very well without having to try too hard.


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All this DRS and rubbish tyres is just another band aid for the real problem which is the aero. As soon as someone does something about it, the better.
The problem with that is when you've added 10 seconds of lap time to an F1 car, you've then got a whole load of other series that have a faster car than you do. You could say that it would then need the FIA to apply the same type of regulations to its other cars, but not all series are run by the FIA.
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Old 26 May 2013, 09:27 (Ref:3253315)   #482
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I thought it would be better to move the discussion about Mercedes test to this thread and keep the Monaco race thread clean

Horner have spoken, he's furious
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Old 26 May 2013, 09:40 (Ref:3253321)   #483
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If they had used Caterham or Marussia to do the test I wonder would it have caused such a problem.
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Old 26 May 2013, 09:52 (Ref:3253322)   #484
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So it seems Ferrari did a similar test after the Bahrain GP... Every contender is allowed to do private tyre testings except RedBull, this is getting funnier every minute

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Old 26 May 2013, 09:56 (Ref:3253323)   #485
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That's because the tyre manufacturers back then were still trying extremely hard to find both speed and endurance from their tyres. But now it's easy to make an F1 tyre that does both of those things very well without having to try too hard.




The problem with that is when you've added 10 seconds of lap time to an F1 car, you've then got a whole load of other series that have a faster car than you do. You could say that it would then need the FIA to apply the same type of regulations to its other cars, but not all series are run by the FIA.
True, however there are things you could do to mitigate a theoretical 50% reduction in downforce (for arguments sake).

- Widening the cars back to 2200mm
- Widen the tyres, specifically the rears

I'm sure the cars would still be slower, but i'd take say cars that were 5 seconds a lap slower if it meant that they could race well. The one thing I notice when I watch older footage of F1 cars is how much faster they are / were in the slower corners. That's mostly mechanical grip, grip from the chassis and the tyres. I'm speaking of the late 80's to early 90's kind of era. Speeding up the cars in these areas I think will help to balance out some of the aero loss.
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Old 26 May 2013, 10:51 (Ref:3253343)   #486
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So it seems Ferrari did a similar test after the Bahrain GP... Every contender is allowed to do private tyre testings except RedBull, this is getting funnier every minute

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Its beginning to appear like a storm in a tea cup as Pirelli need to test future tyres but it all the the teams know about the tyres is that they are round black things without any real way of identifying them there will be little ro be gained.

I would imigine that Pirelli will be shooting in the dark for next year as the new engine characteristics will not be really known until they have one working in the back of a car.
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Old 26 May 2013, 10:56 (Ref:3253345)   #487
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Ferrari has said they used the 2010 car. Mercedes used their current car. Regulations state you cannot use current car for testing purposes. So there might yet be a headache for Mercedes.

RBR have officially lodged a complaint to the FIA.
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Old 26 May 2013, 11:06 (Ref:3253350)   #489
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I think testing with a 2010 car is fair enough, much less data can be collected with old cars, and I understand that's why RBR turned down the offer to test with a 2010 car. If the tyres have problems as we've seen this year it can be good.

But doing a 3 full GPs distance testing with the fastest car of the grid, which can easily become a dominant one if the team manage to "learn something" during that test, it's just careless.
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Old 26 May 2013, 11:28 (Ref:3253360)   #491
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Red Bull protests Mercedes over secret Pirelli F1 tyre test

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Old 26 May 2013, 15:06 (Ref:3253478)   #492
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The investigation is underway at Monaco now. Ted Kravitz on the Sky F1 channel said that there probably won't be any news until after 5:00pm BST.
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Some more on the testing Adam Cooper has been talking to Paul Hembrey who was been evasive with some of his answers. This one is going to run some more by the looks of it.
The prime issue is the use of a current car a 2010 model would not have been a problem.
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Ted Kravitz's extended notebook programme could be interesting.
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Indeed.

It's certainly an interesting twist in this 'story'.
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Its seems like the stewards have kicked to touch on this one and sent the protest to the FIA via a report.

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"The FIA says it only sanctioned the use of a 2013 Formula 1 chassis at the recent Mercedes tyre test if Pirelli ran the car, and if every team was offered the same opportunity to take part."

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According to them every team was offered the chance and none apart from Merc showed interest. Also The FIA say that chassis must be run by pirelli and not the usual team.
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