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Old 11 Dec 2018, 12:34 (Ref:3869396)   #4096
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CART did succeeded on methanol but the switch from gasoline was due to the multiple car crash, on the second lap of the 1964 Indy 500, in which Eddie Sachs and Dave MacDonald died. Their cars exploded and the subsequent fire, produced a cloud of black smoke, blocking the view of the track for oncoming cars and drivers.
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In the early 1960s, cars would do just one pitstop, therefore they would carry many more gallons that the current 18.
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In the early 1960s, cars would do just one pitstop, therefore they would carry many more gallons that the current 18.
That's incorrect. For example in the 1963 Indy 500, race winner Parnelli Jones made 3 stops, on lap 62, lap 125 and lap 160.
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CART did succeeded on methanol but the switch from gasoline was due to the multiple car crash, on the second lap of the 1964 Indy 500, in which Eddie Sachs and Dave MacDonald died. Their cars exploded and the subsequent fire, produced a cloud of black smoke, blocking the view of the track for oncoming cars and drivers.
'Not being educated, but that's neither here nor there. 'Has nothing to do with my point that most fans don't give a crap would fuel is being used; 'not why they do.
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That's incorrect. For example in the 1963 Indy 500, race winner Parnelli Jones made 3 stops, on lap 62, lap 125 and lap 160.
Not incorrect. Back when the cars carried 80 gallons ('could be mistaken on exact amount) there were one-stoppers. Fer instance, your same race example, Jimmy and Dan were doing a one-stopper.
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'Not being educated, but that's neither here nor there. 'Has nothing to do with my point that most fans don't give a crap would fuel is being used; 'not why they do.
It was a follow on from your point about CART succeeding with methanol, so in that context it is very much here or there. If most fans don't give a crap about what fuel is used, that's fine but there are plenty of fans who do.

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Not incorrect. Back when the cars carried 80 gallons ('could be mistaken on exact amount) there were one-stoppers. Fer instance, your same race example, Jimmy and Dan were doing a one-stopper.
Not entirely correct or incorrect then, as per the Parnelli Jones example and I'm sure there are plenty more.
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'Not being educated, but that's neither here nor there. 'Has nothing to do with my point that most fans don't give a crap would fuel is being used; 'not why they do.
Actually fuel type was included in many of the returned surveys from both Indy management and Racer as a return to methanol was bandied about as a return to high horsepower cars. It was dropped quickly by the bosses but it was a hot item with some fans.
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It was a follow on from your point about CART succeeding with methanol, so in that context it is very much here or there. If most fans don't give a crap about what fuel is used, that's fine but there are plenty of fans who do.
My pernt was that the cars were fine with methanol then ethanol (forgot to mention they went from meth to eth). The switch to 85 thing was just a gimmick to please and have tree huggers associate with.
I have never run into your "plenty", tho' I'm sure "they're" out there somewhere. No spectators, I've met at any track care. I'm highly opinionated (can't you tell....) and, again, I could care less as long as they're ICEs.

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Not entirely correct or incorrect then, as per the Parnelli Jones example and I'm sure there are plenty more.
NaBUru38 was entirely correct. They didn't state that all cars made only one stop. Heck, even my example was the plan...but Gurney had to stop for tires more than once if I recall correctly.
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This discussion carries as much weight as my concern of fuel on board...don't you agree?
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My pernt was that the cars were fine with methanol then ethanol (forgot to mention they went from meth to eth). The switch to 85 thing was just a gimmick to please and have tree huggers associate with.
I have never run into your "plenty", tho' I'm sure "they're" out there somewhere. No spectators, I've met at any track care. I'm highly opinionated (can't you tell....) and, again, I could care less as long as they're ICEs.
To give a brief history, from 1996-2005 the IRL used pure methanol. In 2006, the IRL began to make the transition from methanol to ethanol, using a mixture of 90% methanol and 10% ethanol. This was primarily due to the late Paul Dana, who had brought the Ethanol Promotion and Information Council as sponsors, when he drove for Hemelgarn Racing, in 2005. When he moved to Rahal Letterman Racing, EPIC sponsorship went with him.

In 2007, the IRL switched to E100, advertising itself as the first competitive series to use renewable fuel. From 2012 season the Ethanol fuel blend was changed to E85, to match the mix used by road car engines.

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NaBUru38 was entirely correct. They didn't state that all cars made only one stop. Heck, even my example was the plan...but Gurney had to stop for tires more than once if I recall correctly.
NaBUru38 said: "In the early 1960s, cars would do just one pitstop, therefore they would carry many more gallons that the current 18."

To which I replied: "That's incorrect. For example in the 1963 Indy 500, race winner Parnelli Jones made 3 stops, on lap 62, lap 125 and lap 160."

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This discussion carries as much weight as my concern of fuel on board...don't you agree?
I'm not too sure what you mean by that, this isn't a competition to see whether one discussion carries more weight than another.
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