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I think some people need to step back for a sec and look rationally at what these "aero kits" really do and what they are going to bring to the table. I know some are desperate for this series not to die, but you can't fix a hemorrhage with a few band aids, so it's time to snap into reality.
The problem is that you have a car that is an unbalanced, poorly designed car to start with and there are only so many fixed points on the car you can build off of. Back years ago when this whole "aero kit" thing was discussed some kool aid drinking fans did lurid artist impressions of aero kits, none of which are realistic or practical and there is only so much you can work with. What they need to do is get rid of this costly(yes it is costly) dead donkey of a car, design a package of rules and let people have at it. Instead of the inbred closed shop going on right now, you'd bring in heaps of interest from all over and the fans would have something interesting to follow year round. |
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Personally, I'd like to see the whole thing thrown open to all manufacturers, engines and chassis a like. The Blueprint is there but the days when tobacco money was rife, spending was no object and it could pay for it all are gone. The obvious alternative is oil companies but global oil prices are falling, so who is going to provide a revenue stream, in terms of sponosrhip for new manufacturers to come on board? |
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Speaking of what people want from Indycar now and in the future. Racer is running an interesting series asking a range of people and stakeholders what they think Indycar 2018 should look like.
Here is 2014 champion Will Powers thoughts http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/11...-by-will-power This was particularly interesting and dare I say - fairly spot on for some in here. Quote:
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I believe part of the problem, regarding TV audiences, is airing so many races on NBCSN, 12 in total this season. Many people don't want to pay or pay extra, to watch a sport; particularly a rather specialised sport like motorsport, that has a niche market. We're seeng it happen in F1, with TV audiences starting to fall because viewers don't want to pay Rupert Murdoch, or whoever, to watch F1 and the big worry for the teams is it will impact on sponors. |
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They are only there because of Target. They have a product placement deal with them where they contribute to the racing budget and get preferential placement in the stores. They aren't there to support Ganassi or the irl. They are there to get prime retail shelf space. When Target pulls out then they will be gone too. It's the same type of deal that K-Mart had with Newman-Haas.
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I don't see Indycar on the cusp of a sponsorship shangra-la. They need to achieve an equililibrium between keeping it fresh, avoid goofy gimmicks and accept that making huge gains in domestic popularity isn't on the cards anymore. But despite all their almost caliguan problems, year after year, they still come back and pull off good seasons. Fair dues for that.
And general fans are foolish, they think impulsively, drivers do exist in a bubble, too busy to see beyond their field of vision and the management oscillate between complacent paralysis and kneejerk paranoia. The management is a little bit better now so they should settle down and qualify fan feedback with an understanding of fan pyschology. Aesthetics should be one of the top priorites I'm sorry. It's not a dichtomy between beauty and ugliness, it's a dichtomy between mean, muscular cars and these cars - cars that look like chubby capsized bathtubs - and particularily on road courses these are cars give a pronounced junior single seater feel. Indycar needs something the kids would be proud to put as posters on their walls. That's what's needed. And even if it is a bit of a con, they need to externally look more convincing then F1 and given how dumb most F1 cars look today - there maybe an opportunity there. Then Indycar need to communicate that raw material in their promotional campaigns to bring it all together. We'll see about these aerokits but I'm cautious rather than optimistic. I get that Power wants to defend his craft, guard his achievements and we should certainly extend our recognition to him on those grounds. But he has to understand that contemporary Indycar is always going to be haunted by the success of presplit Indycar. It's as an inevitable as it is unfair. Also, it's understanding uglier truths that we might not want to hear that is a prerequisite to dealing with and taking down a given problem. To solve a problem, we need to know the truth. Flattery leaves problems to fester. Unfortunately given the way life is, most truths are unpleasant truths. People should bring what they honestly believe to the table - good or bad - and then tease things out from there. But kneejerk complaining that people aren't sufficiently nice is counter productive and boring. No syrupy echo chambers please. I don't do PR for anyone. Truth is my boss. I don't personally fear for the existence of this series. I'm philosophical about that. I fear this series will become so submerged in gimmicks in vain attempts to win popularity that isn't there, that it'll become almost worthless. F1, sportscars and particularly NASCAR are travelling down this road. Last edited by Paradise City; 11 Jan 2015 at 06:41. |
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I don't hope IndyCar will become just a club series in a same way what happened to the SCCA Trans-AM series. But it is an unpleasant truth that a worldwide fan base and major audiences with races on other continents aren't exactly the direction with the current concept. |
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It already is worthless as the tv ratings and attendance figures are often well below other 2nd and 3rd tier series out there.
Will Powerless is obviously not going to bite the hands that feed him so will instead swill the kool aid in the hopes the party keeps going. People equate big splashy paint jobs as big money when most of the time it is not. Often these are B2B deals, rich dad dealings, tax reduction schemes and other chicanery rather than a straight up sponsorship based the marketing viability of the series. One only has to look at what Bryan Herta is going through right now trying to get $2 million in "sponsorship" he is owed from what looks like a near non existent company that got their name painted all over the car. As an example I remember years ago back around 2009 or so when Lotus had Dany Bahar going wild with all talk no go, the Kalkoven team was "sponsored" by Lotus and if I recall the car was in a Lotus paint scheme. People here on the forum were wetting their pants over it that millions of dollars were changing hands and this was a big sponsorship. After making some inquiries I discovered the extent of the "sponsorship" and that it was only Lotus sending over some engineers gratis to help the team. The second year a small sum of money changed hands. Ignoring the few niche fans for a moment and whatever they want, the wider picture has to be examined of why the series is failing in the marketplace and the general public has zero interest in it. Also all this talk about 2018 is retarded. It's years away and there might not be a 2018 for this series unless they get it together. |
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Aleshin's clearly not coming back to Indycar this year, instead he's driving for SMP Racing in WEC LMP2. Sounds like he'd still like to come back in the future if the whole economic situation settles down.
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Quite an indepth piece on aero-kits and homologation.
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AutoRacing1 is hearing that Luca Filippi is a possibility to pair with Ed Carpenter in the #20 Fuzzy's Vodka Chevrolet in 2015 at CFH Racing.
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Briscoe has been closely linked to a ride on the Factory Corvette at LM24 (replacing Westbrook?), that would mean no full time ride in Indy since we know LM24 has a date clash with Indycar.
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Filippi in at CFH for road and street courses:
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