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Old 29 Jan 2015, 18:36 (Ref:3498819)   #26
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I would say that witht he amount of data than they can collect from having SO mny cars running at any one time, theri cars should be by far and away the best dveeloped.

So, the fact they were beaten and not out front in WRX says to me the package is not all it can be.

I ahve often thought teh Focus is the better package, more stable. The Fiesta has ALWAYS struggled with understeer in this version, much like Walfridssons Clio, always been a total pig of a car, the focus is more stable, longer wheelbase I imagine.
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Old 29 Jan 2015, 22:23 (Ref:3498897)   #27
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I ahve often thought teh Focus is the better package, more stable. The Fiesta has ALWAYS struggled with understeer in this version, much like Walfridssons Clio, always been a total pig of a car, the focus is more stable, longer wheelbase I imagine.
Walfridsons Clio is quite a good car actually. The only making it look bad is the driver. Many have criticized the Clio for being to soft or looking wobly, but actually its because of Steckas driving. During his time there was probably no driver that was left-foot braking as much as he did, he has always been and will always be a real rally driver. Gas, brake, gas, brake, gas all the time making the car look softer than it actually was. Only on tracks he really knew would he have a bit smoother driving.

Mats Lysen for example was more smooth in his driving and at his best he was in the top five at least I think, much because of him and the car coming along. I remember when he won in Norway in 2011, no one could really match him or Isachsen during the whole event. The only thing that hindered him throughout the season was himself. He got too excited at times which made him do a lot of errors
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Old 30 Jan 2015, 08:34 (Ref:3499007)   #28
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The main problem for some fast drivers (like Mats Lysen and some years earlier Michael Jernberg) is their limited budget. If you cannot take 100% risk in Rallycross you don't get to the very top.
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Old 30 Jan 2015, 22:58 (Ref:3499286)   #29
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I might be totally wrong here but I think Ken Block have at least 2 Fiestas. One OMSE and one M-Sport.
I think I read somewhere that M-Sport only prepared Kens car in the European races in 2014.
I guess Eddi know's
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Old 30 Jan 2015, 23:56 (Ref:3499309)   #30
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I might be totally wrong here but I think Ken Block have at least 2 Fiestas. One OMSE and one M-Sport.
I think I read somewhere that M-Sport only prepared Kens car in the European races in 2014.
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Be interested to hear the official answer, I can think of at least three now. There is the OMSE built GYM3 Fiesta (used in Gymkhana 3).

The H.F.H.V. Fiesta (used in Gymkhana 4, Gymkhana 5, Rally America and GRC 2012) was based on an M-Sport WRC shell, but I don't think it was prepared by M-Sport (I'm sure I recall Guru mentioning Henning Solberg at the time?).

Now he has got the RX43 (used in Gymkhana 6, GRC 2013 and GRC 2014). There are two "RX43" spec cars. One is owned by Block and run by his team in the States, the other is owned and run by M-Sport. I believe it is the M-Sport owned car that Block drove in Norway and France (that's how I read the Rallycross World article anyway).

Sure there has been at least one Block-owned Open class (Rally America) Fiesta as well, plus he has used several WRC Fiesta (which I assume have been rented from M-Sport?).

Moving back onto the subject of M-Sport rallycross Fiestas did anyone see the press release from M-Sport earlier this month? I just noticed it whilst looking for the link to the Rallycross World article:

M-Sport - Rallycross Project Expands

Couple of lines towards the end that caught my eye:

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As the new rallycross season approaches, M-Sport will deliver a number of cars to competitors across the Atlantic – the first of which will support a two-car Global Rallycross team for Bryan Herta Autosport.
At least two more M-Sport Fiestas heading for the GRC then?
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Old 31 Jan 2015, 14:33 (Ref:3499463)   #31
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Chunder may help here. But I recall reading maybe in an old Castrol Rally magazine from say 1980 that John Welch's Ford Escort Mk2 cost 30,000GBP. That seems like a huge amount of money for 1980 so wondered how that stacked up to today's prices which are incredidbly high and of course have no re-sell value.
Yep, re-sale value of non-works cars is not even close to the original cost price. Outdated Division 1. cars here in Finland have had asking prices somewhere between 50k and 80k€ depending on the car, equipment etc.
And with outdated bodywork you are basically eligible only in ice racing or hill climb events. And those 50-80k€ prices were only the asking prices, the deal itself does not happen overnight if it happens at all.

Btw. in the past when Finnish drivers buillt 4x4 Porsches, those cars were quite far away from Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen works cars. Here's an article (in Finnish) about Alamäki's Porsche:

http://www.9xxfin.com/mallit/artikke..._84_s60-61.jpg

Some of the main points translated:

... driveshafts and wishbones are from Audi...
...differentials are from BMW 320...
...between the gearbox and the front differential there is a freewheel (from Saab 96!!!)...

At least the engine was an original group 5 type 935 unit.
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As far as I remember the diffs came from a BMW 2002, for the front drive upside-down mounted. The 750bhp 3.2 litre engine of Matti's first 4WD 911 was prepared by Joest Racing for the late German racer Dieter Schornstein's 24h of Le Mans 935. In his second 4WD 911 was a 715bhp 2.8 litre engine from the Porsche Racing department.
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Walfridsons Clio is quite a good car actually. The only making it look bad is the driver. Many have criticized the Clio for being to soft or looking wobly, but actually its because of Steckas driving. During his time there was probably no driver that was left-foot braking as much as he did, he has always been and will always be a real rally driver. Gas, brake, gas, brake, gas all the time making the car look softer than it actually was. Only on tracks he really knew would he have a bit smoother driving.



Mats Lysen for example was more smooth in his driving and at his best he was in the top five at least I think, much because of him and the car coming along. I remember when he won in Norway in 2011, no one could really match him or Isachsen during the whole event. The only thing that hindered him throughout the season was himself. He got too excited at times which made him do a lot of errors

I wrote this too in a topic containing Will Gollop: I am not sure that group B drivers will shine in modern cars or vice versa, it is just different now. The same for those typical FWD or RWD biased drivers.
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Yep, re-sale value of non-works cars is not even close to the original cost price. Outdated Division 1. cars here in Finland have had asking prices somewhere between 50k and 80k€ depending on the car, equipment etc.

And with outdated bodywork you are basically eligible only in ice racing or hill climb events. And those 50-80k€ prices were only the asking prices, the deal itself does not happen overnight if it happens at all.



Btw. in the past when Finnish drivers buillt 4x4 Porsches, those cars were quite far away from Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen works cars. Here's an article (in Finnish) about Alamäki's Porsche:



http://www.9xxfin.com/mallit/artikke..._84_s60-61.jpg



Some of the main points translated:



... driveshafts and wishbones are from Audi...

...differentials are from BMW 320...

...between the gearbox and the front differential there is a freewheel (from Saab 96!!!)...



At least the engine was an original group 5 type 935 unit.


Cool, it is not to far off today's car up to 100 mph, also impressive those cars of today considering newer are smaller and restricted engines and are heavier... Would love to see a similar test for his 205T16 E2!
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