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24 Sep 2011, 18:14 (Ref:2960444) | #51 | ||
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From Frank De Jongs site you can learn that the 2.3 XR4Ti was starting the German season at 1350 kgs (FIA: 1185 kgs), with the 2.1 Volvo 240 Turbo at 1315 kgs (FIA: 1035 kgs). Both were two valves per cylinder and with the 4 valves per cylinder Cosworth it would be even heavier. I haven't seen the starting weight of the Rudi Eggenberger sourced RS500, for Manuel Reuter and Ringshausen, for the last two races of the 1987 DTM, but I believe it was in the 1400 kgs region. Quite rediquolous for a car homologated at 1035 kgs.
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I hadn't realised the cars had to carry that much ballast, crikey thanks for than Jesper!!
I guess it was all done in the interests of equality, but sometimes we have to think that it would have been as good a spectacle if these cars had been given their head a little more rather than strangling them so that Opel Kadett's might get a sniff of a result! I guess we've taken this off topic a bit here lads!! |
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The highlights also mention Roadways planned Nissan attack on the WTCC, and Brock's WTCC plans too...... as it was Brock's WTCC plan only got axed just before the 'Holden split' on February 20, and the reason given was a lack of budget. |
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Interesting that Les Small was going to be running the proposed Nissan effort, when it was Howard Marsden who took the reigns eventually the following year, albeit as an ETC programme (but with Group C around the corner!) could that explain the Grice involvement? |
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Anything else you can contribute - entry lists, results, photos, reports - for the 1984, 85 and 86 NZ threads will be much appreciated. |
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It seemed like Strathmore's idea of a WTCC embraced the privateer as much as the factory entry, especially seeing as people like Roadways and Crichton were all set to compete... whereas Bernie was all about the $$$ the manufacturers would pay. Dick Johnson was even interviewed during 1986 saying he was interested in doing WTCC rounds, so long as they didn't hinder his ATCC effort. |
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To complete my info on the 1986/87 NZ scene here's what I have on the Nissan Mobil 500 Series.
Entry list from the programme that was shared by both rounds: http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...M500Entry1.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...M500Entry2.jpg Previews of the Wellington round, 25 Jan 87, from Auto Action: http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-1Preview1.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-1Preview2.jpg And the race reports also from Auto Action: http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report1.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report2.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report3.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report4.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report5.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report6.jpg And a brief preview of the Pukekohe round, 1 Feb 87, from Auto Action: http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-2Preview.jpg Unfortunately, although I subscribed to Auto Action at the time the occasional issue didn't arrive and the Pukekohe race report is missing. Malcolm |
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http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...EggSierra1.jpg ...and some comments from late '86 about his plans: http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...EggSierra2.jpg Malcolm |
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Thanks for the excellent clippings Malcolm. I am very interested to see that Mark Petch and Robbie Francevic tried to arrange a Les Small built Commodore to run in the series with Thomas Lindstrom as a co driver. If this had come off it could have been quite a competitive car.
I believe Robbie ended up sharing one of the Pinepac cars with Bruce Anderson. |
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Mind you he wasn't solely a Group A Volvo man, after the RAS thing ended he went on to the abortive Conqvista Maserati programme and then he raced for Eggenberger in long distance events in an RS500. Last edited by chunterer; 1 Jan 2012 at 12:35. |
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http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report5.jpg I should have some relevant ETCC reports also. I'll check over the weekend. Malcolm. |
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1 Oct 2011, 19:59 (Ref:2963788) | #68 | ||
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I believe there was a loophole in the rules allowing "cooling system" modifications that was exploited. This was then closed up so that in 1987 intercoolers had to be fitted to the homologation spec. road car to ensure they could be used in teh race car, hence the Cossie coming with one as standard fitment. This is my understanding of how they got away with them, I could be wrong though! Conrad |
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http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C/ETCC-12a.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C/ETCC-12b.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C/ETCC-13a.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C/ETCC-13b.jpg http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...CC/ETCC-14.jpg There are also some colour photos in the following books that might be of interest: Saloon Motorsport in New Zealand, by Tim Chadwick, Pg 43. Bathurst 1987/88, by Barry Naismith, Pg 15 & 23. The Dunlop Book of New Zealand Motorsport, by David McKinney, Pg 11 & 118. Malcolm |
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19 Dec 2011, 05:47 (Ref:3001748) | #70 | ||
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Is there a 1987/1988 version of this thread? I tried searching but couldn't find it.. if there's not i will start a new one.
On the theme of the 1986/87 SPTCC that we've unearthed above, I'm interested in the 1987/88 South Pacific Touring Car Series. Round 1 was the AGP support race... but what races were included in the series after that (and who won?) |
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20 Dec 2011, 10:23 (Ref:3002161) | #71 | |
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We haven't started a thread for the 1987/88 season, which means we haven't seriously discussed the 1987 WTCC round at Wellington.
My memory is that the 1987/88 races consisted of the Nissan Mobil 500 at Wellington, the Benson & Hedges 500 at Pukekohe a week later and a New Zealand Touring Car Championship of several rounds in January. I don't believe that there were any South Pacific Touring Car Series rounds in NZ during 1987. I suggest we start a thread. Also, I just realised that while we have posted the results of the Pukekohe round of the January 1987 Nissan Mobil series, we have not posted results of the Wellington round. I will see if I can correct this oversight when I am on holiday next week. |
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22 Dec 2011, 10:36 (Ref:3003107) | #73 | |
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Yes, I did see that Malcolm, and saved a copy. Thanks again for posting up all those articles.
I meant more that we haven't put the results up within in the thread itself in the same format as the other races from the season. |
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Was the SPTCC series going to be extended to include the James Hardie 1000
Were there any plans to include the James Hardie 1000 at Bathurst and the Castrol 500 at Sandown in the South Pacific Touring Car Championship or was there going to be a separate endurance series which would be a 4 race championship with the Bathurst 1000 and Sandown 500 in Australia and the 2 Nissan/Mobil races at Wellington and Pukehoe in New Zealand or was the SPTCC going to be a combined sprint/endurance Championship with the long distance races at Sandown and Bathurst in Australia and the 2 race Nissan/Mobil series in New Zealand included
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Great informative thread. Glad you liked the pics I posted on the Roaring season forum that KA linked to from Pukekohe.
Re the Walkinshaw Jags at Puke - they did actually have 2 cars there on the Friday but one speared off into the bank coming over the top of the hill early in practice. It was loaded on a flatdeck truck and covered with a tarp before I could get back across the track and up to the hill stand to get some shots. No idea if they were going to run both though. Not a good shot but the Petch Sierra in BP livery and I am guessing this was it in previous guise Cheers Tony Growden |
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