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Old 24 Sep 2011, 18:14 (Ref:2960444)   #51
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From Frank De Jongs site you can learn that the 2.3 XR4Ti was starting the German season at 1350 kgs (FIA: 1185 kgs), with the 2.1 Volvo 240 Turbo at 1315 kgs (FIA: 1035 kgs). Both were two valves per cylinder and with the 4 valves per cylinder Cosworth it would be even heavier. I haven't seen the starting weight of the Rudi Eggenberger sourced RS500, for Manuel Reuter and Ringshausen, for the last two races of the 1987 DTM, but I believe it was in the 1400 kgs region. Quite rediquolous for a car homologated at 1035 kgs.

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Old 24 Sep 2011, 19:30 (Ref:2960467)   #52
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I hadn't realised the cars had to carry that much ballast, crikey thanks for than Jesper!!

I guess it was all done in the interests of equality, but sometimes we have to think that it would have been as good a spectacle if these cars had been given their head a little more rather than strangling them so that Opel Kadett's might get a sniff of a result!

I guess we've taken this off topic a bit here lads!!
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I got vision from this race, but it won't play on Windows Media Player so i can't put up any screenshots. Its basically a review of the race, it does have some interested interviews in it, including one with Neville Crichton talking about his new Eggenberger XR4ti Sierra and how he planned to run the car in the entire WTCC....
Would be great if you can convert this video to post up, as a good friend of mine has this car and is about to begin restoration back to original Gp.A spec. It is a bit of a shed at the moment, last being run as an "RS500 Thundersalonn" for Greg Lancaster in 1991 I think. But we have found all of the trick parts that were missing now, so should not be an impossible job.

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Interesting, I wonder what changed his mind, the exorbitant entry fee of lack of faith in the equipment.
I think their plans were scrapped when FISA took the reigns off Strathmore at the 11th hour and gave them to Bernie, in a stroke the the series sponsor & travel fund was lost (as they were Strathmore aligned) and as you say, the horrendously huge entry fee.

The highlights also mention Roadways planned Nissan attack on the WTCC, and Brock's WTCC plans too...... as it was Brock's WTCC plan only got axed just before the 'Holden split' on February 20, and the reason given was a lack of budget.
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I think their plans were scrapped when FISA took the reigns off Strathmore at the 11th hour and gave them to Bernie, in a stroke the the series sponsor & travel fund was lost (as they were Strathmore aligned) and as you say, the horrendously huge entry fee.

The highlights also mention Roadways planned Nissan attack on the WTCC, and Brock's WTCC plans too...... as it was Brock's WTCC plan only got axed just before the 'Holden split' on February 20, and the reason given was a lack of budget.
Thanks racer, I had forgotten about the Strathmore 'replacment' element in all this- the series was hijacked before it had even begun!!

Interesting that Les Small was going to be running the proposed Nissan effort, when it was Howard Marsden who took the reigns eventually the following year, albeit as an ETC programme (but with Group C around the corner!) could that explain the Grice involvement?
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Ok, starting with the Benson & Hedges Series.

Round 1, 19-Oct-86, Manfeild.
Entry list from the Manfeild race programme, but it states that it applies to the Bay Park event also.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-86_Entry.jpg
Results probably from the newspaper 'Hawke's Bay Herald Tribune'.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Results.jpg
Photos also from the 'Hawke's Bay Herald Tribune', which used to be the paper for Hastings (NZ) hence the focus on Mr Bristow.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-86_Photo2.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-86_Photo1.jpg

Round 2, 26-Oct-86, Bay Park.
Results from the Australian newspaper Auto Action. (Note, I think the photo accompanying the article dates from 1985 in Australia... Sandown maybe ???)
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Results.jpg

Round 3, 16-Nov-86, Pukekohe.
Entry list from the race programme.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...1-86_Entry.jpg
Photo probably from the 'Sunday Star' newspaper.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-86_Photo1.jpg
Preview article. Not sure of the source.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Preview.jpg
Results from Auto Action.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Results.jpg
Trevor Crowe's review from the 'Hawke's Bay Herald Tribune' but I think his regular column was wide published in NZ.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-86_Review.jpg

That's all I've found for the 1986 Benson & Hedges series. I'll follow up with the other series' over the next few days.

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Thanks for this Malcolm. These links bring back a lot of memories of New Zealand Touring Car racing from my teenage years. Unfortunately, my sources are not very complete for the pre-1988 period.

Anything else you can contribute - entry lists, results, photos, reports - for the 1984, 85 and 86 NZ threads will be much appreciated.
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Ok, starting with the Benson & Hedges Series.

Round 1, 19-Oct-86, Manfeild.
Entry list from the Manfeild race programme, but it states that it applies to the Bay Park event also.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-86_Entry.jpg
Results probably from the newspaper 'Hawke's Bay Herald Tribune'.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Results.jpg
Photos also from the 'Hawke's Bay Herald Tribune', which used to be the paper for Hastings (NZ) hence the focus on Mr Bristow.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-86_Photo2.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-86_Photo1.jpg

Round 2, 26-Oct-86, Bay Park.
Results from the Australian newspaper Auto Action. (Note, I think the photo accompanying the article dates from 1985 in Australia... Sandown maybe ???)
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Results.jpg

Round 3, 16-Nov-86, Pukekohe.
Entry list from the race programme.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...1-86_Entry.jpg
Photo probably from the 'Sunday Star' newspaper.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-86_Photo1.jpg
Preview article. Not sure of the source.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Preview.jpg
Results from Auto Action.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Results.jpg
Trevor Crowe's review from the 'Hawke's Bay Herald Tribune' but I think his regular column was wide published in NZ.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-86_Review.jpg

That's all I've found for the 1986 Benson & Hedges series. I'll follow up with the other series' over the next few days.

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Thanks a lot, Malcolm. Very informative post with a lot of new information - it'l take awhile before I'm through the links. I seem to remember a picture of a Mazda 626 without a roll cage - I think though that it had the basics centered around the B-pillar.

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Old 25 Sep 2011, 11:32 (Ref:2960629)   #58
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Round 2, 26-Oct-86, Bay Park.
Results from the Australian newspaper Auto Action. (Note, I think the photo accompanying the article dates from 1985 in Australia... Sandown maybe ???)
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...86_Results.jpg
The pic is of Tony Longhurst, in the 1986 ATCC round at Sandown. JPS didn't run the 3-series at Sandown at all in 1985.

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Interesting that Les Small was going to be running the proposed Nissan effort, when it was Howard Marsden who took the reigns eventually the following year, albeit as an ETC programme (but with Group C around the corner!) could that explain the Grice involvement?
Grice was linked with a 'Japanese' brand as far back as Bathurst 1986 (the Hay's allude to it during the commentary), with heavy hints given it was Nissan. I vaguely recall reading that the Roadways program would have been Nissan blessed, rather than an all out factory effort.

It seemed like Strathmore's idea of a WTCC embraced the privateer as much as the factory entry, especially seeing as people like Roadways and Crichton were all set to compete... whereas Bernie was all about the $$$ the manufacturers would pay.

Dick Johnson was even interviewed during 1986 saying he was interested in doing WTCC rounds, so long as they didn't hinder his ATCC effort.
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Anything else you can contribute - entry lists, results, photos, reports - for the 1984, 85 and 86 NZ threads will be much appreciated.
SPTCC-1, 19 Oct 86, Calder.
Report from Auto Action.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C1-Report1.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C1-Report2.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C1-Report3.jpg

SPTCC-2, 25 Oct 86, Adelaide (I had the date incorrect in my Post #44, as the race was on Saturday as a support to the F1 race).
Entry from the F1 programme.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...TCC2-Entry.jpg
Report from Auto Action.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C2-Report1.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C2-Report2.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C2-Report3.jpg

SPTCC-3, 30 Nov 86, Manfeild.
Add from the 'Hawkes Bay Herald Tribune' newspaper.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...SPTCC3-Add.jpg
Entry from the race programme. (The programme was for all NZ rounds, ie SPTCC-3 to 5).
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...TCC3-Entry.jpg
Preview from the 'Hawkes Bay Herald Tribune'.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...3-Preview1.jpg
Preview from the 'Sunday Star' newspaper.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...3-Preview2.jpg
Report from Auto Action.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C3-Report1.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C3-Report2.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C3-Report3.jpg

SPTCC-4, 7 Dec 86, Bay Park.
Reports from Auto Action.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C4-Report1.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C4-Report2.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C4-Report3.jpg

SPTCC-5, 14 Dec 86, Pukekohe.
Report from Auto Action.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C5-Report1.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C5-Report2.jpg

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To complete my info on the 1986/87 NZ scene here's what I have on the Nissan Mobil 500 Series.

Entry list from the programme that was shared by both rounds:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...M500Entry1.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...M500Entry2.jpg

Previews of the Wellington round, 25 Jan 87, from Auto Action:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-1Preview1.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...-1Preview2.jpg
And the race reports also from Auto Action:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report1.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report2.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report3.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report4.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report5.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report6.jpg

And a brief preview of the Pukekohe round, 1 Feb 87, from Auto Action:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-2Preview.jpg

Unfortunately, although I subscribed to Auto Action at the time the occasional issue didn't arrive and the Pukekohe race report is missing.

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I got vision from this race, but it won't play on Windows Media Player so i can't put up any screenshots. Its basically a review of the race, it does have some interested interviews in it, including one with Neville Crichton talking about his new Eggenberger XR4ti Sierra and how he planned to run the car in the entire WTCC....
Here's a little more info on Crichton's Egg:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...EggSierra1.jpg
...and some comments from late '86 about his plans:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...EggSierra2.jpg

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Thanks for the excellent clippings Malcolm. I am very interested to see that Mark Petch and Robbie Francevic tried to arrange a Les Small built Commodore to run in the series with Thomas Lindstrom as a co driver. If this had come off it could have been quite a competitive car.
I believe Robbie ended up sharing one of the Pinepac cars with Bruce Anderson.
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Thanks for the excellent clippings Malcolm. I am very interested to see that Mark Petch and Robbie Francevic tried to arrange a Les Small built Commodore to run in the series with Thomas Lindstrom as a co driver. If this had come off it could have been quite a competitive car.
I believe Robbie ended up sharing one of the Pinepac cars with Bruce Anderson.
Lindstrom in a Holden? That would've been an interesting development like you say!

Mind you he wasn't solely a Group A Volvo man, after the RAS thing ended he went on to the abortive Conqvista Maserati programme and then he raced for Eggenberger in long distance events in an RS500.

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Here's a little more info on Crichton's Egg:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...EggSierra1.jpg
...and some comments from late '86 about his plans:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...EggSierra2.jpg

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Thanks so much for those clippings I had not seen them before. I will pass those on to the car owner. It will be one of those car builds where we will be starting with a beaten up old car that has been chopped and changed a lot, and trying to restore it back to its original form, and doing this by trying to find old photos and information to give us clues on how it was nailed together.

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This was included in my post #60 in case you missed it:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report5.jpg

I should have some relevant ETCC reports also. I'll check over the weekend.

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This was included in my post #60 in case you missed it:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report5.jpg

I should have some relevant ETCC reports also. I'll check over the weekend.

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This was included in my post #60 in case you missed it:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...0-1Report5.jpg

I should have some relevant ETCC reports also. I'll check over the weekend.

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Awesome- thank you! I have the 1986 ETCC on Duke video, which gives some interesting information. Strangley enough, the Eggenberger Sierras/XR4Ti's and Andy Rouses' similar car were running intercoolers, even though the road car version did not have one fitted.

I believe there was a loophole in the rules allowing "cooling system" modifications that was exploited. This was then closed up so that in 1987 intercoolers had to be fitted to the homologation spec. road car to ensure they could be used in teh race car, hence the Cossie coming with one as standard fitment. This is my understanding of how they got away with them, I could be wrong though!

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I should have some relevant ETCC reports also. I'll check over the weekend.
Here are the Auto Action reports for the last threes rounds of the 1986 ETCC that Crichton's Sierra competed in:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C/ETCC-12a.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C/ETCC-12b.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C/ETCC-13a.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...C/ETCC-13b.jpg
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...CC/ETCC-14.jpg

There are also some colour photos in the following books that might be of interest:
Saloon Motorsport in New Zealand, by Tim Chadwick, Pg 43.
Bathurst 1987/88, by Barry Naismith, Pg 15 & 23.
The Dunlop Book of New Zealand Motorsport, by David McKinney, Pg 11 & 118.

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Is there a 1987/1988 version of this thread? I tried searching but couldn't find it.. if there's not i will start a new one.

On the theme of the 1986/87 SPTCC that we've unearthed above, I'm interested in the 1987/88 South Pacific Touring Car Series. Round 1 was the AGP support race... but what races were included in the series after that (and who won?)
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We haven't started a thread for the 1987/88 season, which means we haven't seriously discussed the 1987 WTCC round at Wellington.

My memory is that the 1987/88 races consisted of the Nissan Mobil 500 at Wellington, the Benson & Hedges 500 at Pukekohe a week later and a New Zealand Touring Car Championship of several rounds in January.

I don't believe that there were any South Pacific Touring Car Series rounds in NZ during 1987.

I suggest we start a thread.

Also, I just realised that while we have posted the results of the Pukekohe round of the January 1987 Nissan Mobil series, we have not posted results of the Wellington round. I will see if I can correct this oversight when I am on holiday next week.
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Also, I just realised that while we have posted the results of the Pukekohe round of the January 1987 Nissan Mobil series, we have not posted results of the Wellington round. I will see if I can correct this oversight when I am on holiday next week.
Just in case you hadn't seen it, my post #60 has the Auto Action report with the results for those classified as finishers.

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Yes, I did see that Malcolm, and saved a copy. Thanks again for posting up all those articles.

I meant more that we haven't put the results up within in the thread itself in the same format as the other races from the season.
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Was the SPTCC series going to be extended to include the James Hardie 1000

Were there any plans to include the James Hardie 1000 at Bathurst and the Castrol 500 at Sandown in the South Pacific Touring Car Championship or was there going to be a separate endurance series which would be a 4 race championship with the Bathurst 1000 and Sandown 500 in Australia and the 2 Nissan/Mobil races at Wellington and Pukehoe in New Zealand or was the SPTCC going to be a combined sprint/endurance Championship with the long distance races at Sandown and Bathurst in Australia and the 2 race Nissan/Mobil series in New Zealand included
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Great informative thread. Glad you liked the pics I posted on the Roaring season forum that KA linked to from Pukekohe.
Re the Walkinshaw Jags at Puke - they did actually have 2 cars there on the Friday but one speared off into the bank coming over the top of the hill early in practice. It was loaded on a flatdeck truck and covered with a tarp before I could get back across the track and up to the hill stand to get some shots.
No idea if they were going to run both though.
Not a good shot but the Petch Sierra in BP livery


and I am guessing this was it in previous guise


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