circuit licenses?

Roninho · 7 Aug 2005, 21:40 (Ref:1374507)

i've no idea where to post this, so i'll just drop it in here.

The fia gives a grade to every circuit they approve, like 1 for a circuit approved for F1 and 2 for a circuit approved for F3000/a1gp/indycar/etc. races.

Does anybody know where i can find a list of these grades per circuit? I've already searched the fia-site but couldn't find anything.

Eddy V · 8 Aug 2005, 10:41 (Ref:1374834)

If I remember well, the tracks like to keep their grading to themselves, unless they have a top grading obviously.
It is a bit shameful to see that track so-and-so only has grade .....
I think that's why FIA does not have a list on their website.

**Stephen Green** · 8 Aug 2005, 12:29 (Ref:1374900)

Some tracks have more than one licence. For example the Brands Indy circuit has one and so does the Brands GP circuit, although not both licences are for the same grade (I think)

sceptic · 8 Aug 2005, 14:55 (Ref:1375015)

And there are also separate licences for two wheels or four.

In the UK, only Silverstone currently meets Grade 1 standard.
Donington Park and Rockingham were Grade 2 last I heard, and Brands GP has applied for, (and probably by now) been awarded Grade 2.

Grade 2 is the lowest level at which you can host an international car race.

Roninho · 8 Aug 2005, 19:01 (Ref:1375205)

Well, google has been a help, so here all European tracks allowed to have "international events", so the ones with at least level 2 grades (i might have missed a couple):

France:
http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/pratiquer/re.../circuit05.pdf ("find=grade")
Magny Cours - 1
Le Mans 24h - 2
Le Mans Bugatti - 2
Dijon - 2
Pau - 2
Nogaro - 2

Italy:
http://www.csai.aci.it/csaiCms/Virtu...id=730&rif=DOC (find=grado)
Monza - 1
Imola - 1
Mugello - 1
Fiorano - 1T
Vairano - 1T (only straight line)
Nardo - 1T (only "area test"?!?)
Enna Pergusa - 2
Adria - 2
Magione - 2
Misano - 2
Vallelunga - 2

England
Silverstone - 1
Brands Hatch - 2 (had cart, are adjusting for full circuit grade 2)
Rockingham - 2 (had cart)
Donnington - 2

Germany
Hockenheim - 1
Nurnburgring - 1
Lausitzring - 2 (had cart)
Oschersleben - 2
Sachsenring - ? (do have motogp)
Norisring - ? (have dtm)

Spain
Barcelona - 1
Jerez - 1T? (had f1 for a few years ago)
Valencia - 2
Jarama - 2 (fia gt races over there)

Holland
Zandvoort - 1T (since a couple of years if i'm not mistaken)
Assen - 2 (they got it this year)

Belgium
Spa Francorchamps - 1
Zolder - ? (i'm guessing 2)

Portugal
Estoril - 1/1T/2 ? (not to long ago an f1-track)

Sweden
Anderstorp - 2 (fia gt raced over there)

ireland
Mondello Park - 2

czech
Brno - 2
Most - ?

Austria
A1/Zeltweg - 1 (does the track still exist?)

Hungary
Hungaroring - 1

So a few blanks, and possibly i missed a few?

Roninho · 8 Aug 2005, 19:05 (Ref:1375208)

Quote:

Originally Posted by sceptic

And there are also separate licences for two wheels or four.

Yeah, i was quite surprised i found out that Assen only got the grade 2 this year, even though they have been staging MotoGP's for ages. Safe enough to race with moto-gp but not for F3000 or Fia GT!

rescue dude · 8 Aug 2005, 23:02 (Ref:1375385)

Blimey!!!!!!
Slimeystone level one1111111

Kicking-back · 9 Aug 2005, 05:57 (Ref:1375474)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rescue dude

Blimey!!!!!!
Slimeystone level one1111111

Why are you surprised at that?

It's hosted Grands Prix for years.

PaulSands · 9 Aug 2005, 06:39 (Ref:1375487)

Pau gets a 1 but Brands, Rockingham and Donington only get a 2 ???

Kicking-back · 9 Aug 2005, 07:22 (Ref:1375503)

Pau is 2

**Stephen Green** · 9 Aug 2005, 07:35 (Ref:1375512)

It seems to me that all circuits that host F1 events are (and have to be) Grade 1 along with those who host F1 testing. The others are Grade 2 which allows them to host any FIA event other than F1.

Roninho · 9 Aug 2005, 10:18 (Ref:1375633)

* Grade 1:
F1
* Grade 1T:
F1-testing
* Grade 2:
F3000, Champcar, IRL, Nippon, Euro3000, Renault World Series, GP2, A1GP
Sport cars racing: SR1, SR2, LMP1, LMP2 Interserie FIA GT1, FIA GT2
Historics: TGP, Sports prototype and two seater racing cars
* Grade 3:
GT, single seaters over 2000cc (except mentioned in 1&2), F3 euroseries, Nascar, Transam, AUS v8 supercar, DTM, sport cars over 2000cc
* Grade 4:
F3, single seaters up to 2000cc, touring cars, historics except TGP, sports racing except 2/3, etc.

sceptic · 9 Aug 2005, 10:22 (Ref:1375644)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roninho

Portugal
Estoril - 1/1T/2 ? (not to long ago an f1-track)

So a few blanks, and possibly i missed a few?

I am pretty sure Estoril is currently 1T, having recently been upgraded from a 2.

Roninho · 9 Aug 2005, 12:23 (Ref:1375761)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roninho

Well, google has been a help, so here all European tracks allowed to have "international events", so the ones with at least level 2 grades (i might have missed a couple):

France:
http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/pratiquer/re.../circuit05.pdf ("find=grade")
Magny Cours - 1
Le Mans 24h - 2
Le Mans Bugatti - 2
Dijon - 2
Pau - 2
Nogaro - 2

Italy:
http://www.csai.aci.it/csaiCms/Virtu...id=730&rif=DOC (find=grado)
Monza - 1
Imola - 1
Mugello - 1
Fiorano - 1T
Vairano - 1T (only straight line)
Nardo - 1T (only "area test"?!?)
Enna Pergusa - 2
Adria - 2
Magione - 2
Misano - 2
Vallelunga - 2

England
Silverstone - 1
Brands Hatch - 2 (had cart, are adjusting for full circuit grade 2)
Rockingham - 2 (had cart)
Donnington - 2

Germany
Hockenheim - 1
Nurnburgring - 1
Lausitzring - 2 (had cart)
Oschersleben - 2
Sachsenring - ? (do have motogp)
Norisring - ? (have dtm)

Spain
Barcelona - 1
Jerez - 1T? (had f1 for a few years ago)
Valencia - 2
Jarama - 2 (fia gt/ WS-nissan)
Bilbao - 2 (world series)

Holland
Zandvoort - 1T (since a couple of years if i'm not mistaken)
Assen - 2 (they got it this year)

Belgium
Spa Francorchamps - 1
Zolder - 2 (world series)

Portugal
Estoril - 1T (Thank you sceptic)

Sweden
Anderstorp - 2 (fia gt raced over there)

ireland
Mondello Park - 2

czech
Brno - 2
Most - ?

Austria
A1/Zeltweg - 1 (does the track still exist?)

Hungary
Hungaroring - 1

Monaco
Monaco - 1

So a few blanks, and possibly i missed a few?

Added Bilbao, zolder, estoril, Monaco,

JimW · 9 Aug 2005, 13:28 (Ref:1375816)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roninho

Yeah, i was quite surprised i found out that Assen only got the grade 2 this year, even though they have been staging MotoGP's for ages. Safe enough to race with moto-gp but not for F3000 or Fia GT!

I don't quite see the issue here. FIM and FIA operate quite different standards for the different hazards of two and four wheels. What is regarded as fine for one might well be a no-no for the other. Examples found would include:

Kerbing height and shape
Barrier protection (Tyres or Foam blocks)
marshals posts - location and number
pits

Sure car/bike needs can be made to exist together but often only with some difficulty and, in some cases, changes between the two uses. For example Donington last year had to have all the "rumble" kerbing removed from both edges of the track, all the way round, to keep its MotoGP licence. Also Donington has to deploy hundreds of straw bales for bike meetings. The kerbing on clipping points is now so insignificant that many car races cut corners with impunity (and then complain about dirt and stones on the track.

Regards

Jim

Asa · 11 Aug 2005, 04:04 (Ref:1379552)

All the circuits that host F1 are Grade 1 circuits. Those who no longer host F1 or F1 testing will be downgraded to Grade 2. Circuits in general don't apply to become grade 1 circuits unless they want to host an F1 race. Grade 2 is quite sufficient for most.

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