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Old 17 Jul 2021, 11:55 (Ref:4061398)   #2226
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Has Ted Kravitz got anything to contribute? Does anyone want to know his opinion about tents and camping when they have tuned in to watch F1? Also, why are all the Sky people sneering about the term Sprint ?
It’s not so much sneering, as they have been told not to call the Saturday event a race, they are to call it a Sprint.
When talking about starting grids, overtaking etc, it’s hard not to call it a race.
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Old 17 Jul 2021, 12:12 (Ref:4061401)   #2227
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C4 coverage of the Silverstone GP is so superior in every way to Sky imho. Polished, clear and concise reporting with more than just a hint of humour, DC and co have in spades.

I haven't watched C4's coverage in ages and it made a welcome change. Having both David Coulthard and Mark Webber is a bonus.
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Old 17 Jul 2021, 12:55 (Ref:4061410)   #2228
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I haven't watched C4's coverage in ages and it made a welcome change. Having both David Coulthard and Mark Webber is a bonus.
I'm @ Santa Pod this weekend, so when I get home tonight I'll swap the recording from Sky Sports to C4 and see what it's like.
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Old 17 Jul 2021, 22:46 (Ref:4061505)   #2229
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For 130mins, not once was there a hint of bias during the broadcast.
No problem with bias from me.

Watching and listening to the emotion of Ned Jarratt calling Dale crossing the line to win the 1993 Daytona 500 will remain one of my highlights in my 35 years of watching motor racing.

Murray's call of Damon Hill winning the World Championship likewise.

A sporting commentating sharing their unbridled joy or disappointment makes great TV IMHO.
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Old 17 Jul 2021, 23:06 (Ref:4061508)   #2230
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Here in Australia we only get the Sky version and it is via Pay TV.

The coverage is heaps better than the good old days of Free to Air on Ch9.

I don't mind the Ted Kravitz behind the scenes stuff and even our local Supercars series is starting to do similar.

Someone really needs to remind the Sky Team that most of the English "speaking" world is listening to them and not just the "English" though as the lopsided coverage towards British drivers gets annoying.
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Old 18 Jul 2021, 10:03 (Ref:4061567)   #2232
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Someone really needs to remind the Sky Team that most of the English "speaking" world is listening to them and not just the "English" though as the lopsided coverage towards British drivers gets annoying.
Sky are not providing a world feed, it’s your local broadcaster buying access to the coverage Sky UK produce for their primary customer, that’s UK viewers.
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Old 18 Jul 2021, 15:02 (Ref:4061721)   #2233
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Has Ted Kravitz got anything to contribute? Does anyone want to know his opinion about tents and camping when they have tuned in to watch F1? Also, why are all the Sky people sneering about the term Sprint ?
Because they had to stay later at the track than normal…

(And, no, Ted Kravitz has absolutely no idea at all.)
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Old 18 Jul 2021, 17:14 (Ref:4061797)   #2235
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Kravitz was dreadful in the post race interview with Horner, he was incapable of asking questions or challenging the rubbish Horner was spouting,
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Most of this season I have watched F1 streamed by either ORF or Servus from Austria. Whilst Servus is a Red Bull organisation the coverage cannot be classed as biased. Well back this weekend to Channel 4 and what a difference. It should really be renamed Channel Red Bull and when will they make Christian Horner the lead commentator as he seemed to spend as much time on air as the commentators.

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I watch Channel 4 in the UK as I have no choice (or at least no wish to pay for a choice). I thought the coverage today was very good, I enjoyed the show a lot. The piece with Tom Cruise was hilarious as was the 'taxi spoof' with Max. But there is significant Red Bull influence. Why we always have the link with Horner, I don't know, other than the clear links that DC and MW have with the team. It's in Horner's interest to maintain those links, however it would be nice to hear more often from other team principals during the race.
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Damn that British broadcaster Sky UK Limited for focusing their coverage on British drivers.

Oh, wait. Damn that British broadcaster Channel 4 for focusing their coverage on teams on the grid who are not British.

If the next round does not feature an equal percentage of coverage from every team / driver on the grid - I'm going to write a sternly worded forum post in disgust.
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Damn that British broadcaster Sky UK Limited for focusing their coverage on British drivers.

Oh, wait. Damn that British broadcaster Channel 4 for focusing their coverage on teams on the grid who are not British.

If the next round does not feature an equal percentage of coverage from every team / driver on the grid - I'm going to write a sternly worded forum post in disgust.
Send an email to Mr Masi........ It will have the same effect as posting here.....
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What a coup for C4 enlisting the services of Tom Cruise, absolutely loved it and DC and Mark Webber are excellent with the commentary.
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Will never resort to satellite viewing for F1 find it ridiculous that you can’t watch full races on terrestrial TV like the bbc had yrs ago. But the coverage over the weekend by c4 has been superb added bonus of Mr Cruise but all the other bits and pieces were just as worthy. Fantastic effort C4 oh and well done Alice Powell winning the W series event.
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Will never resort to satellite viewing for F1 find it ridiculous that you can’t watch full races on terrestrial TV like the bbc had yrs ago. But the coverage over the weekend by c4 has been superb added bonus of Mr Cruise but all the other bits and pieces were just as worthy. Fantastic effort C4 oh and well done Alice Powell winning the W series event.
Totally agree apart from the unlucky Ms Wohlwend who rather suffered from a totally unnecessary safety car. But then I would say that as my son was working on her car this weekend.
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Well back this weekend to Channel 4 and what a difference. It should really be renamed Channel Red Bull and when will they make Christian Horner the lead commentator as he seemed to spend as much time on air as the commentators.
glad it's not just me that felt this too. sat there and wondered whether we were watching an entirely different incident at home to the gruesome twosome.
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How much of the Channel 4 'Red Bull bias' is down to Coulthard and Webber - and how much is it Red Bull making themselves available more than other teams? I think a lot of it is Red Bull are just very good at putting themselves out there. In the build up to the weekend Red Bull did a race around Goodwood against a black cab, routemaster bus, Spitfire etc etc - how many other teams did something similar? They do a lot of F1 demo runs in cities and countries that don't have F1 races - other teams don't do that (certainly not to the same extent). I'm no Red Bull fanboy - I have a particularly low opinion of Helmut Marko (I'm sure he'll be devestated to learn ) but you do have to admit that they use their various assests well for 'publicity stunts'.
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Damn that British broadcaster Sky UK Limited for focusing their coverage on British drivers.

Oh, wait. Damn that British broadcaster Channel 4 for focusing their coverage on teams on the grid who are not British.

If the next round does not feature an equal percentage of coverage from every team / driver on the grid - I'm going to write a sternly worded forum post in disgust.
"AND HAMILTON GOES FOR THE LUNGE but now we cut away to our obligatory ten minutes of following Giovanazzi pound round the circuit alone in 15th..."
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How much of the Channel 4 'Red Bull bias' is down to Coulthard and Webber - and how much is it Red Bull making themselves available more than other teams? I think a lot of it is Red Bull are just very good at putting themselves out there. In the build up to the weekend Red Bull did a race around Goodwood against a black cab, routemaster bus, Spitfire etc etc - how many other teams did something similar? They do a lot of F1 demo runs in cities and countries that don't have F1 races - other teams don't do that (certainly not to the same extent). I'm no Red Bull fanboy - I have a particularly low opinion of Helmut Marko (I'm sure he'll be devestated to learn ) but you do have to admit that they use their various assests well for 'publicity stunts'.
You nailed it, Horner and co just make themselves more available. You can chose whether or not to listen but for me the C4 team are just better presenters.
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How much of the Channel 4 'Red Bull bias' is down to Coulthard and Webber - and how much is it Red Bull making themselves available more than other teams? I think a lot of it is Red Bull are just very good at putting themselves out there. In the build up to the weekend Red Bull did a race around Goodwood against a black cab, routemaster bus, Spitfire etc etc - how many other teams did something similar? They do a lot of F1 demo runs in cities and countries that don't have F1 races - other teams don't do that (certainly not to the same extent). I'm no Red Bull fanboy - I have a particularly low opinion of Helmut Marko (I'm sure he'll be devestated to learn ) but you do have to admit that they use their various assests well for 'publicity stunts'.
Yes let's face it, without Red Bull and C4 we would be deprived of a lot of access to the background of F1, but it comes at a cost, which is the promotion of Red Bull. Also I dislike Marko and his approach to drivers.
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Marko is just a naturally dislikeable person, isn't he? Horner has his moments too. Like him or dislike him (for whatever reason) but there is more of the 'gentleman' in Toto - IMO (FWIW).
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Marko is just a naturally dislikeable person, isn't he? Horner has his moments too. Like him or dislike him (for whatever reason) but there is more of the 'gentleman' in Toto - IMO (FWIW).

What is it with Marko? He comes across as very unpleasant.
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