[Team] Mercedes: Will they ever dominate again?

[S griffin]

Maybe 10 years down the line Motown will be back

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Maybe 10 years down the line Motown will be back

How? Why?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

How? Why?

New ruleset will allow them to catch up and pass everyone else. Ross is working on it! Remain patient!

Richard

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

New ruleset will allow them to catch up and pass everyone else.

I quite often see that people want to go back to an era of:
Raw and mechanical F1 cars,
style and character setting each car apart,
steel spaceframe chassis,
hand-crafted aluminum bodywork,
15-inch wheels,
Avon slicks,
Wilwood brakes,
GM LS engines,
non-hybrid,
open exhausts.....

perhaps they're just waiting for the music to come back?

[Last2LiftOff]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Iperhaps they're just waiting for the music to come back?

And a new core of regeneration engineers.

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I quite often see that people want to go back to an era of:
Raw and mechanical F1 cars,
style and character setting each car apart,
steel spaceframe chassis,
hand-crafted aluminum bodywork,
15-inch wheels,
Avon slicks,
Wilwood brakes,
GM LS engines,
non-hybrid,
open exhausts.....

perhaps they're just waiting for the music to come back?

Mercedes might prefer a 2.5 straight eight. Worked well a few years back.

[S griffin]

I think they will do well whatever you throw at them. That good at engineering

[wnut]

Article from Motorsport magazine assessing the relative performance of the teams in the first 4 races - it would appear Mercedes are doing very well thank you!

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...ter-four-races

Interesting how the front and rear limited chassis affect the performance at the various tracks.

[greentrumpet]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I think they will do well whatever you throw at them. That good at engineering

Ilmor have a well deserved reputation.

[Casper]

Why some expect a rule change to affect the top pecking order is one of the world's great mysteries. The teams basically know what the PU is going to be already and I bet Mercedes already have one built and running while others are thinking about it.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Casper

Why some expect a rule change to affect the top pecking order is one of the world's great mysteries. The teams basically know what the PU is going to be already and I bet Mercedes already have one built and running while others are thinking about it.

They have the financial resources and the R&D facilities at Brixworth, so I wouldn't be surprised if you are correct.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Casper

Why some expect a rule change to affect the top pecking order is one of the world's great mysteries. The teams basically know what the PU is going to be already and I bet Mercedes already have one built and running while others are thinking about it.

It introduces an opportunity for change, but the previous order is the most likely.

You must remember that not all fans are as great as you at realising these things as you point out. Pity them and give them the benefit of your wisdom.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Adam43

It introduces an opportunity for change, but the previous order is the most likely.

You must remember that not all fans are as great as you at realising these things as you point out. Pity them and give them the benefit of your wisdom.

I think my wisdom is no better than anyone else's, it just stands to reason that a winning team is unlikely to fall into a heap just because of a regulation change. This mass thinking by fans that changes will bring a new team forward is part of the herd thinking that fans of any sport seem to indulge in for some reason. No changes that have been introduced have changed the pecking order so the assumption that 2021 will affect it is not sound at all IMHO.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Casper

No changes that have been introduced have changed the pecking order so the assumption that 2021 will affect it is not sound at all.

2014?

[ApexTurtle]

2005 and 2009 as well.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by ApexTurtle

2005 and 2009 as well.

To clarify, within the present hybrid era. MB then began in front and they are still there and nothing since has changed that. I would be more than a little surprised if they have not started development work on the 2021 PU as I mentioned before. F1 has changed hugely since the hybrid era was introduced due to the complexity of the thing restricting possible engine suppliers and the artificial barrier erected in the first two years that prevented new suppliers even looking at F1.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Casper

To clarify, within the present hybrid era. MB then began in front and they are still there and nothing since has changed that.

So to clarify further - having performed the best over a five year period means that people should expect the same situation to remain for decades?

In the past, there have been changes of front-running teams both during a consistent engine format, and when engine format has changed.

Applying your logic today, perhaps people should never have expected Honda's dominance to end during the late '80s, early '90s?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

In the past, there have been changes of front-running teams both during a consistent engine format, and when engine format has changed.

Applying your logic today, perhaps people should never have expected Honda's dominance to end during the late '80s, early '90s?

Good question. I wish I was more knowledgeable on this topic, but it would be interesting to see some discussion as to how various F1 dynasties came to an end and if there is any indication that history can point to when the current Mercedes one might end.

Richard

[wolfhound]

Maybe Toto moving on might start it?

https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/10/...rix-day-one-2/

[wnut]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Maybe Toto moving on might start it?

https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/10/...rix-day-one-2/

If I was Mercedes I would be more than happy to second Toto to Liberty to ensure I maintained the Mercedes multi-billion dollar advantage into the future.
When he is finished running F1 he can always return to the mothership.

Ross Brawn should be very "happy" to have Toto as a boss again, given that Toto's appointment at Mercedes was the reason Ross resigned.

[bathurst77]

I think the first 4 races this year have answered the thread title

[Aysedasi]

Nah, flattered to deceive. They'll be lucky to pick up points for the rest of the season....

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Nah, flattered to deceive. They'll be lucky to pick up points for the rest of the season....

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Maybe Toto moving on might start it?

https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/10/...rix-day-one-2/

Related article that goes into more changes happening at Mercedes...

https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/08/...ff-after-2020/

After watching Nico Rosberg interview Toto (Nico's YouTube channel), I have new respect for Toto's leadership/management skills. He might be good for F1 if at Liberty and the winds of change that the article above mentions might end the current Mercedes dynasty.

Richard

[wnut]

Mercedes have their biggest advantage for 58 races:

https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/11/...-for-58-races/

Guess we don't write them off just yet then.