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Old 6 Jan 2011, 09:08 (Ref:2811842)   #1
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FIA App K regulations - 01-01-2012

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http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...10.12.2010.pdf
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In the current circumstances, we need to do all we can to help local businesses. With this in mind I suggest we all schedule our visits to the pub so we can keep the 2m social distancing and whilst there get completely slamied for two hours before handing over to the next shift.

It probably won't stop the virus but nobody would care.
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Old 6 Jan 2011, 10:06 (Ref:2811857)   #2
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Thanks Peter for the link - have downloaded a copy and have been ploughing through it.

One interesting change for this year is that for cars from period F (post 1961) onwards, harnesses must be 6 point, good for the sale of seat belts no doubt.

Must go out and check the WSM as I may be taking it to Spa this year, and I know how fussy they are about such things.

May have to change the seat as well......or perhaps stick to the Elite.
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Old 6 Jan 2011, 11:22 (Ref:2811884)   #3
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[QUOTE=Brian A;2811857] One interesting change for this year is that for cars from period F (post 1961) onwards, harnesses must be 6 point, good for the sale of seat belts no doubt.
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Well spotted Brian, that change wasn't so easy to see!

So for 1962 cars on we all now need 6 point harness, but the requirement for straps to be 3" wide has gone......

There is some change to the roll cage regs but need time to read through that lot!

Re: fuel caps the regs mention 'one way safety valve fitted between the cap and fuel tank'. According to the UK Scrutineer I was talking to at end of last season in his opinion the 'Monza' cap with seperate locking plug (either by key or turnhandle thing) beneath was OK for 2011, so hopefully it can be defined as a safety valve, although two way not one way.......
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Old 6 Jan 2011, 11:29 (Ref:2811888)   #4
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I'm still uncertain on the seat thing. I guess I really need to fit a FIA approved seat. Already got the 6 point harness.
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Old 6 Jan 2011, 11:31 (Ref:2811889)   #5
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zefarelly should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridzefarelly should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridzefarelly should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
6 point good IMO
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Old 6 Jan 2011, 11:47 (Ref:2811898)   #6
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But a lot of 'period' seats don't have aperture in base for them and with glassfibre car need to have somewhere on floor to locate them, so looks like a way of getting owners to spend lots of money.....
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......so looks like a way of getting owners to spend lots of money.....
So what's new?
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But a lot of 'period' seats don't have aperture in base for them and with glassfibre car need to have somewhere on floor to locate them, so looks like a way of getting owners to spend lots of money.....


You are allowed to cut a hole in the swab to cater for for the anti sub strap Mike. [Acording to the Blue Book]
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You are allowed to cut a hole in the swab to cater for for the anti sub strap Mike. [Acording to the Blue Book]
Blue book? That's MSA, not FIA, isn't it- could be risky...........

Seriously, thanks for that. I don't know if Gilbern will be out this year but at least know what needs doing- as well as all other work on list!

Checking Cobra site they now do FIA approved 'classically styled' narrow highback.

Havn't got to grips with Rollcage rules yet, but always got confused by them anyway.
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Blue book? That's MSA, not FIA, isn't it- could be risky...........

Seriously, thanks for that. I don't know if Gilbern will be out this year but at least know what needs doing- as well as all other work on list!

Checking Cobra site they now do FIA approved 'classically styled' narrow highback.

Havn't got to grips with Rollcage rules yet, but always got confused by them anyway.
OMP are probably the most 'authentic' looking Mike,thier 'Brands Seat' is perfect for most sports cars,they fit! Only thing with this type is that you must have the Head Restraint/Rest fitted. They are probably the lightest available of all tube framed seat

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But a lot of 'period' seats don't have aperture in base for them and with glassfibre car need to have somewhere on floor to locate them, so looks like a way of getting owners to spend lots of money.....
brazing a plate or bar between 2 chassistubes in a glassfibre car wont coast that much........unless you have a Lotus.
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brazing a plate or bar between 2 chassistubes in a glassfibre car wont coast that much........unless you have a Lotus.
Luckily Esper I don't have a Lotus and luckily have found on looking underneath that there is already a cross tube near enough to be used for mounts! Just need to work out if seat can be modded or if will have to be replaced.
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in my Merlyn I use a Tillett karting seat - they have great lateral support and actually look semi period. They are also cheap.
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I just think 4 point is dangerous if you have a shunt, particularly head on, and if your in a more prone position

If there's the will there's a way, I've just welded fixings to the chassis of a car and cut the GRP from the floor etc, nothing visibly noticable but as safe as your going to be in an old car is the idea at least
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I think four point is fine but you do need to make sure the lap belts are in the right place. Hence not good for two driver or pit stop races. The cost difference isn't really that great either. The vertical straps on a six point shouldn't do anything other than tie down the lap belts.
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