Oldtimer GP

[HRSTR5]

Does anyone know whether the AvD Oldtimer GP has a UK "Ambassador" or representative, as certain bigger events do?

The reason is that I was hoping to run in the Nurburgring Trophy 100 this year, in my TR5, but my latest attempt to elicit some information via the event's website has left me with the feeling that this Nordschleife Race may have been dropped, leaving only the 500km Marathon - which I don't really think either me or my car are up for!

Obviously I've tried a message via the form on the website, but I'm getting no response as yet, hence I'm looking to see if there is anyone in the UK involved in organising (or coordinating UK participation) in this particular event.

Having had Roadsports turfed out of the Silverstone Classic, this was going to be my other 'big' weekend this year, and I'd even convinced the Mrs and Daughter to spend their summer holiday in Germany based around this meeting, so I'll be disappointed if I end up not be able to run after all. Not only that, but I've just got FIA App K papers for the car specifically for one-off events such as this, and furthermore my employer has a big office in Cologne, so there was a chance of running a little low-key corporate hospitality for their guests, and perhaps having my entry fee or travel costs picked up!

Can anyone suggest a worthwhile contact?

James

[MGDavid]

can't answer your specifics, but I wouldn't be put off by the thought of a 500 race - I did the ADAC 400 in a Midget last year, actually run as 2 x 1.5 hours on successive mornings, and it was simply brilliant. Would have thought a TR5 stronger than MG, just switch the brain into endurance mode and Robert's yer dad's brother...

[Eddy V]

This is their website http://www.avd.de/ogpracing/english/index.html, but knowing AVD don't expect them to reply fast.
Will try and find something out what is happening.

[HRSTR5]

Thanks Eddy - anything you can find out would be really helpful.

James

[R D P]

Reading their infos on the webpage, it really seems as if there is only the 500 on Friday. The remaining two days the event is GP circuit only.
That would also fit in with the new informations, that the (usually run during the cancelled Oldtimer Festival) Vintage Nürburgring event is run at the OGP weekend. So obviously only the pre war racers run on the Nordschleife (and on the closed for traffic Südschleife) on Saturday and Sunday.
I have also sent them an enquiry for further infos some time ago (and again yesterday), but as mentioned before, this might take a while to get answered.

Ralf

[Alex E]

there is a 90 minute Youngtimer race on the Nordschleife at the OGP meeting.
Alex

[HRSTR5]

Alex E,

Thanks for that interesting info, it doesn't tie-up with the info on the AVD's Oldtimer GP website, but I've found mention of the race on Yountimer's website. My German is completely non-existant, so are you able to tell me any more about Youngtimer races, what sort of cars, what sorts of regs they run to, etc., from the photos I can see on the website it would appear that my 1968 TR5 might be somewhat out of place on a Youngtimer grid.

Do Youngtimer races enjoy a good reputation as far driving standards are concerned?

Thanks for your help.

James

[Eddy V]

Youngtimer generally aren't bad at all. Driving standards are okay, once and a while there is a hot headed driver.
They run to 4 periodic specs: 66-71, 72-75, 76-81 and 82-88. Cars have to be comply according their period. As far as I remember there are some TR5s in that championship.
Race length varies.

[HRSTR5]

Thanks Eddy, this potentially sounds quite interesting.

I wonder when AVD will be able to give some official information, or will the Youngtimer race be administered by them, rather than AVD?

[Eddy V]

YT have their own organisation and run a race within the 24 hour organisation. It should be no problem to contact YT in English.

[Eddy V]

Just spoke to Mr. Wolf at AVD. The 2009 programm should be almost the same as it was in 2008.
On Friday they intend to run the Marathon 500km, including the German FHR championship and Youngtimer, on the Nordschleife.
Saturday - Sunday it should be business as usual on the GP track with Historic Grand Prix cars, Orwell Supersports, Saloon and GTs. The exact programm wasn't clear yet, but they hope to have everything in place by mid April.
Entryforms should be available by mid / end April.

[HRSTR5]

Eddy, thanks for your info, I've been travelling for last 3 weeks, hence no response.

I've managed to make contact with the Youngtimer organisation, and am now on their mailing list for news updates as the plan comes together.

I understand that the YT race will run on the Nordschleife only, not the combined circuit including the modern GP track that will be used for the Marathon. I guess we'll be in a paddock away from the OGP too. My plan had been to coordinate with a colleague who will be racing at the OGP, and to use the event for a little low-key hospitality for our german office in Koln - so having us split apart and running on different circuits isn't really going to suit us very well from that perspective.

Still, I'll probably do the race as I've always wanted to put a Nordschleife race into my 'logbook'!

Is there anyone else out there who might also do this race. 1.5 hour, Nordschleife only, Friday August 6th. Costs tba.

James

[Enrico Spaggiari]

Originally Posted by Eddy V

Just spoke to Mr. Wolf at AVD. The 2009 programm should be almost the same as it was in 2008.
On Friday they intend to run the Marathon 500km, including the German FHR championship and Youngtimer, on the Nordschleife.
Saturday - Sunday it should be business as usual on the GP track with Historic Grand Prix cars, Orwell Supersports, Saloon and GTs. The exact programm wasn't clear yet, but they hope to have everything in place by mid April.
Entryforms should be available by mid / end April.

Hi Eddy.
Thank you for your informations.
I was just wondering if a race on the gp circuit for Touring cars up to 65 will be organized again this year .

[Racesport]

Sad that, for the first time after several years, NO Formula Juniors will race this year at OGP!!!

[Eddy V]

Maybe they will, as the AVD still hadn't finalised everything when I asked.

[L-G Sjöberg]

Originally Posted by Eddy V

Maybe they will, as the AVD still hadn't finalised everything when I asked.

Please do some lobbying if you can.

[Eddy V]

Lobbying? AVD?
No, will never work.

[esper]

Originally Posted by Eddy V

Lobbying? AVD?
No, will never work.

If you were a nice lady , yes you can.

[Eddy V]

But I'm an ugly bloke and not nice at all.

[jminsh]

I see the Masters have pulled their races from this years oldtimer ??

[pieterbakker]

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Originally Posted by Eddy V

But I'm an ugly bloke and not nice at all.

There is another ugly bloke organising the '11th Eifel Mountains Classic' at 28-29 August. An all comer race with four hours of circuit time and hospitality included.

Have a look at; http://www.fisc-eurotour.org/circuit-nordschleife.html

Cheers,

.

[HRSTR5]

Further to my 'tribulations' with the Italians ...

Has anyone got any regs or entry forms for OGP yet ...?

I'm still hoping to do a Nordschleife race on the Friday, but not the Marathon. I believe there will be another race run by AvD (seen nothing in writing yet!), and perhaps a third with the Youngtimers (I've established contact with the latter, seem a nice bunch but to be very honest I rather run with more period cars than Youngtimer grid if the opportunity exists. But will happily run with Youngtimer if not.

Would be interested to know what other people know so far ...

James