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Old 20 Mar 2019, 22:21 (Ref:3892311)   #6421
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It does make you wonder. What does the ACO see as more important, the GTE or the LMP1? I’m not so sure if it’s either that matters
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Old 21 Mar 2019, 02:07 (Ref:3892353)   #6422
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It does make you wonder. What does the ACO see as more important, the GTE or the LMP1? I’m not so sure if it’s either that matters
So lmp2 matters? I'm not sure I can follow the reasoning with your recent posts.
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Old 21 Mar 2019, 05:34 (Ref:3892369)   #6423
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It's obvious to anyone that the top class is the top class for a reason. They need the top class to actually be... top! I don't like bop. I don't like mismatch looking cars. It bothers me seeing Ferrari's Corvettes Porsches and the like racing against a big BMW sedan that has two doors cut off. Its going to be worse imo if we see smooth looking, purposely built machines that look like the Valkyrie vs something that looks like a modified (and uglier) McLaren 720 in the 'Senna' as they call it. Imo that's an insult. It's a 720s with a goofy body kit and oversized rear wing. At least the Vakyrie looks like an lmp for the road like the Toyota GR Super Sport or this thing, the Aspark Owl



I have a feeling we're going to be seeing all types of weird things and the only way to distinguish some of them from a GTE is it'll have a little fin on the back, yuck.
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Old 21 Mar 2019, 08:25 (Ref:3892395)   #6424
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Well it's not quite what it should be the top class. Le Mans has let itself go a bit. Certainly the GT class is exciting in it's own way, although whether the manufacturers stay is another question. Obviously the organisers feel the new hypercars is the only way forward. We'll see how well these types of cars do, they ain't the best things around. Certainly I have seen more racer looking cars than those. What can you do though? It's a different game now
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So I'm guessing that this set of regs probably won't fix the whole we hope that they stop designing cars that make us want to say to them and their designers "why don't you go down to the nursery and scare the newborn babies".

I agree with TF110 and S griffin that the ACO lost their way. I'll also add that it's kinda their fault. IMO, they got so used to the Audi Sport/VAG dollars and them supporting LM and related series like the ALMS and the WEC for so long that they in my honest opinion just got a bit greedy, or lazy, or both.

It's like in the lyrics to the Aerosmith song Dream On:

"Sing with me, if just for today. Maybe tomorrow, the good lord will take you away."

Yeah, the ACO are right in appreciating what they had yesterday, but they didn't plan for today, and now it seems that they don't know what they want for tomorrow.
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Old 21 Mar 2019, 23:17 (Ref:3892593)   #6426
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Well it seems they are going the easy route with Hypercars. And this is because they need to keep the future. The ACO have let themselves down. They made a mistake going all out on WEC. They should have tried to make sure Audi had good competition. They’ve sort of let it almost die
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On paper there should probably be 5 manufacturers in LMP1 literally right now (or in any event, last season) if they were in any way reliable to their commitments. There wasn't any other prototype regulations on the table with that kind of manufacturer interest. Of course they never are and that's where the argument that EoT should have been more favorable to privateers from the start comes from but given how many of those came out of the woodwork to replace the factories and how fast LMP2 cars are (last year's P2 pole sitter was closer to outright pole than the first independent P1 car in the last year of open LMP2 in 2010) I don't know if it really mattered.

Anything in Hypercar would be easy to distinguish from GTE if GTE itself had anything resembling consistency in car type.
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Old 22 Mar 2019, 03:12 (Ref:3892633)   #6428
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Well there could have been more manufacturers, but they decided to go elsewhere. EoT was really to help privateers. Hypercars can be good, but GTE seems a bit random as you say
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In the most recent Pruett podcast, there were comparisons made to the 90's Le Mans, where mishmash of prototype variants and GT1s were all able to go for the overall win. Also 1999 ALMS where stuff was jammed together for the LMP class. But I don't think that comparison makes any sense given that in those days the models were not individually performance balanced for clone laptimes and fuel windows, as will be the case here. I also didn't agree with the reasoning that they should just listen to all the manufacturer lobby demands for "whatever" because there's no supposedly other way right now in the current climate.

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If the DPI are accepted in the Hypercar rules Mazda could return to Le Mans.

https://carbuzz.com/news/mazda-could...urn-to-le-mans
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In the most recent Pruett podcast, there were comparisons made to the 90's Le Mans, where mishmash of prototype variants and GT1s were all able to go for the overall win. Also 1999 ALMS where stuff was jammed together for the LMP class. But I don't think that comparison makes any sense given that in those days the models were not individually performance balanced for clone laptimes and fuel windows, as will be the case here. I also didn't agree with the reasoning that they should just listen to all the manufacturer lobby demands for "whatever" because there's no supposedly other way right now in the current climate.
It makes some sense. It isn't exactly the same, but it also isn't completely different. It wasn't BoP, but it was akin to EoT, but with the fuel tank sizes, tyre sizes, etc. differences between P and GT. Trying to get two rule sets to the end point.

I do think that BoP is a lazy way to get there though (as opposed to EoT), which perhaps what you are getting at? (I haven't listened to the pod so maybe there is a nuance I am missing)
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Ferrari has just presented the P80/C.
It is a modern Sports Prototype inspired by some of the most iconic models in Ferrari’s history, such as the 330 P3/P4 and Dino 206 S of the 1960s – highly radical cars in their day, and instant icons.
The P80/C is very different: it’s a pure track car, where peak performance is a major factor.
It is made entirely from carbon-fibre.

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I do not know if this car got to race some day but it's fantastic.
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Ferrari has just presented the P80/C.
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I do not know if this car got to race some day but it's fantastic.
According to AUTOhebdo, it's a single car based on a 488 GT3 for a rich customer.
https://www.autohebdo.fr/actu-auto/a...re-201763.html
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This is the next brand to dominate Le Mans: https://www.thesupercarblog.com/all-...inate-le-mans/
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According to AUTOhebdo, it's a single car based on a 488 GT3 for a rich customer.
https://www.autohebdo.fr/actu-auto/a...re-201763.html
Yes it is a single car based on a 488 GT3, but it is made entirely from carbon-fibre and of course the aerodynamic development was based on the experience gained with the 488 GT3 but was not governed by the restrictions imposed by international regulations. Thus the front splitter is specific and, while the expansion curve and vortex generators of the rear diffuser are the same as those used on the GT3, the external surfaces are all unique to the P80/C. The result is an improvement of around 5% in overall efficiency, required to make full use of the unrestricted engine.


However, I understand that Ferrari will not use this car if it decides to participate in the Hypercars.
Possibly they will use the next new mid engined V8 TT-Hybrid near of 1000 HP car that will be released in the coming months (called BIG BROTHER (BB) in the forums) or maybe the next model of the Icona series (The F40 Icona) that will have the base of the BB and it is rumored that will arrive next year.
I have the feeling that many of the 4 year developments of the P80 / C will appear on the BB or on the F40 Icona.
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