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Old 2 Apr 2021, 00:32 (Ref:4044304)   #7921
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The low drag bodywork should help with top speeds at least.

Looking for the positives here...
I actually thought the higher top speed with the low drag body work would make it more of an issue for the hyper cars to get past on the straight.
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Old 2 Apr 2021, 06:14 (Ref:4044315)   #7922
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I actually thought the higher top speed with the low drag body work would make it more of an issue for the hyper cars to get past on the straight.
I was thinking of LMP2 getting past the GTs
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Old 2 Apr 2021, 06:15 (Ref:4044316)   #7923
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Even before this a full time 670hp Hypercar with the bodywork they have to use at Le Mans was never going to have trouble at the top end with with a 560hp LMP2 car even if those ran their low drag kit. Now that it's a 530hp LMP2 car carrying extra weight, pffft.
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Old 2 Apr 2021, 14:42 (Ref:4044375)   #7924
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I was thinking of LMP2 getting past the GTs
I don't mind the LMP2 slowing down myself. Speed gap between prototypes and GTs was getting too big. Never see the problem of inter-class mixing. Makes things interesting. Look at GTLM/LMP3/GTD in IMSA in the florida endurance races. No major issues. The biggest 2 or more car incidents involved cars in the same class.
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Old 2 Apr 2021, 19:26 (Ref:4044404)   #7925
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With the power decrease and weight increase the LMP'2 and GTE's at LM are going to be I'd say with in 10-15 seconds a lap at LeMans of each other and the back marker LMP2's barely beating GTE's and in some cases slower. So now will the ACO/FIA slow the GTE's if that is the case. On another thought could we see an exodus of LMP2 teams from the WEC to say IMSA or change classes if they want to continue on that course with how they are slowing LMP2.
I am completely baffled at the ineptitude of the ACO to NOT be able to get things right in their regulations!!!!

LMP2''WAS'' an excellent class, in both the WEC and ELMS. The cars were quick, the engines were fast and reliable. So ''WHY'' change something that is working well you may ask yourself?

The answer does not take alot of figuring out really. Having created their new premier??........Hypercar class for Toyota, the regulations then ensure that the Hypercars, will not really be that quick. Solution by the ACO, slow down the LMP2 so as to not allow them to compete and intrude into the Hypercar limelight!!!

Wonderful idea!!!! Now take the forced power cut + weight increase for the P2 cars and see how that works out? In the WEC, no problem, so long as they can stay ahead of the GT cars, if not, BOP the GT cars so they can. Another wonderful idea!!

So explain how this is going to work in the ELMS??

P3 cars currently put out 460 BHP (343 KW) and weigh 950 kg.

2021 P2 cars will put out 533 BHP (397 KW) and weigh 950 kg. That is not alot of difference.

Unlike the WEC, P2 do race in the same field as P3 in the ELMS. I can very easily see, the quicker of the P3 cars, being quicker than the slower of the P2 cars! So what will the ACO do then I wonder??

Hmmmm, let me think. Great idea!!!! Reduce the power of the P3 cars and add more weight????

I believe my opening sentence sums the ACO up. Clowns!! So occupied with kiss assing the OEM's, they forget about the core teams that keep them in business when the OEM gravy train goes away!
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Old 3 Apr 2021, 12:15 (Ref:4044462)   #7926
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Stop sitting on the fence, truebeliever. What do you really think about the ACO?
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Old 3 Apr 2021, 19:24 (Ref:4044500)   #7927
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Stop sitting on the fence, truebeliever. What do you really think about the ACO?
If I did that, that would be just nasty!!

I suppose I should just see the French logic, that says you screw up a successful, well supported class (LMP2), in order to support a new ''Premier'' class with a few OEM supporters!

Wouldn't the logical path have been to make the Hypercars quicker, and leave P2 as it was?

But I suppose that logic has never been an ACO hallmark. They could have made a new regulation = no P2 can ever lead a lap over a Hypercar, you get a 1/2/3 minute stop and go for that! I am sure the OEM's would be in favor.
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Old 3 Apr 2021, 23:15 (Ref:4044512)   #7928
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Well, this is what happens when the ACO uses the Hypercar rules to revive their not significantly under 3:30 laptime obsession for the top class.
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Wouldn't the logical path have been to make the Hypercars quicker, and leave P2 as it was?
Well if Aston hadn't started with what appears to be a dog (for this class and speed of racing) of a car and had quit earlier we might not be in this mess at all
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Well, this is what happens when the ACO uses the Hypercar rules to revive their not significantly under 3:30 laptime obsession for the top class.
I think the fans have more of an obsession over this than what the ACO ever did.
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Old 4 Apr 2021, 01:43 (Ref:4044523)   #7931
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I don't think most fans want to see the top class restricted to 3:30 at LM. The ACO have been pushing for it since at least 2007.

Whatever the reason, or the ACO making the Hypercars that much slower by default by making them so overweight, it's caused a stack up that might even see GTE nerfed. Which GTE got aero and power boost because GT3 got GT1 influenced aero on them a few years back.

Granted, making the LMP1/LMH cars so portly will reduce costs by default, but wanna know what would've done that too? Reducing the reliance on hybrid systems for power, and reducing their urge to kiss up to OEMs in exchange for cash.

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I do not understand why there is so much obsession to protect LMP2 in this forum.
LMP2 is a spec category, ORECA-Gibson Spec category!!!!!!!
Sports car lovers hate Spec categories like me!!!!
The ACO killed the real LMP2, when was Porsche RS spyder vs Acura ARX.
Hypercars allows again the variety and I love this variety I HATE the SPEC category like LMP2!!!!
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I don't know if 3:30 is the right level to aim at for the top class but the Circuit de la Sarthe is a Grade 2 street track. If the cars just keep getting faster, at some point the FIA will step in due to safety concerns. Or we end up with more tarmac runoff, barriers moved back etc etc.

Who cares if the top class runs 3:15 or 3:30, the issue here is the mess the ACO have made of the relative speeds of the classes. The latest knee jerk reaction of more weight, less downforce and less power could have been mandated months ago, or even announced at the same time as the unified LMH/LMDh regs.
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I don't know if 3:30 is the right level to aim at for the top class but the Circuit de la Sarthe is a Grade 2 street track. If the cars just keep getting faster, at some point the FIA will step in due to safety concerns. Or we end up with more tarmac runoff, barriers moved back etc etc.

Who cares if the top class runs 3:15 or 3:30, the issue here is the mess the ACO have made of the relative speeds of the classes. The latest knee jerk reaction of more weight, less downforce and less power could have been mandated months ago, or even announced at the same time as the unified LMH/LMDh regs.
Agreed on not necessarily being fussed about the average laptime. But I get the feeling they will continue to neuter the track regardless of what the stopwatch says.
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I do not understand why there is so much obsession to protect LMP2 in this forum.
LMP2 is a spec category, ORECA-Gibson Spec category!!!!!!!
Sports car lovers hate Spec categories like me!!!!
The ACO killed the real LMP2, when was Porsche RS spyder vs Acura ARX.
Hypercars allows again the variety and I love this variety I HATE the SPEC category like LMP2!!!!
This is the most awesomnest comment I have seen on this forum in a long time. Here Here. 100% agree.
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