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Old 6 Apr 2021, 13:25 (Ref:4044824)   #7936
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ACO wanted faster Hypercars, but the merger with imsa's LMDh has forced the Hypercar category to slow down.
So, you don't want the ACO / IMSA merging?
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Old 6 Apr 2021, 14:52 (Ref:4044836)   #7937
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ACO wanted faster Hypercars, but the merger with imsa's LMDh has forced the Hypercar category to slow down.
So, you don't want the ACO / IMSA merging?
Ummm, that's not correct at all. Every single thing you said was incorrect there
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Old 6 Apr 2021, 15:17 (Ref:4044838)   #7938
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ACO wanted faster Hypercars, but the merger with imsa's LMDh has forced the Hypercar category to slow down.
So, you don't want the ACO / IMSA merging?
Pretty sure the ACO always said that they wanted Hypercars to be targeting 3:30 at Le Mans, and being BOPped to that lap time. As I recall, that was before proper talks began to have a class which would be eligible in both IMSA and ACO series.
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Old 6 Apr 2021, 15:23 (Ref:4044839)   #7939
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I don’t think laptime should be that important and BoP will always be tough to implement. Anyway I look forward to how the Hypercars go. And with IMSA having an uncertain future and ACO having their own problems to deal with, I can’t see them having IMSA cars joining in at Le Mans
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Pretty sure the ACO always said that they wanted Hypercars to be targeting 3:30 at Le Mans, and being BOPped to that lap time. As I recall, that was before proper talks began to have a class which would be eligible in both IMSA and ACO series.
That time and the reduction in HP from 870 to 670 was part of the desire to enable convergence. We were part of those discussions and agreed to reduce our 870 which obviously affected desired lap times.
The ACO and IMSA definitely want convergence to work and I think they will work together to make that happen.
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Old 6 Apr 2021, 16:52 (Ref:4044852)   #7941
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Once the convergence is completed, who knows - they might "up the power" slowly through evolutions of the rules.
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Once the convergence is completed, who knows - they might "up the power" slowly through evolutions of the rules.
Of course that will happen. The lap times will decrease anyway. LMP1s were doing sub 3:15 lap times despite the regulations, not because of them.

In the mid-2000s, the top class were doing 3:30s and then with development, the lap times came tumbling down. Obviously LMHs are homologated, but new, quicker cars will join and the BOP will be made faster, as well as advances in set-up and understanding of any track changes.

I'm also finding the criticism of slowing down LMP2 slightly odd, I can remember all the way back to - checks notes - 4 years ago when people complained about the new P2 regs. I, for one, actually agree with everything said in criticism of the time and I would be perfectly happy for that category to die. I hate spec racing. I just find it odd that so many are now defending it !
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Old 7 Apr 2021, 10:14 (Ref:4044929)   #7943
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I think the criticism is more that slowing them down is actually necessary due to completely foreseeable changes to the top class, and those changes have been clumsily executed.
Not sure anyone is actually defending LMPOreca in its current form.
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Old 7 Apr 2021, 11:11 (Ref:4044942)   #7944
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Ummm, that's not correct at all. Every single thing you said was incorrect there
As Napolis says, in the beginning, the power of the engines was much more important.
I therefore deduce that the problem would not have arisen without the convergence.


https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/to...ires-lmh-lmdh/
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As Napolis says, in the beginning, the power of the engines was much more important.
I therefore deduce that the problem would not have arisen without the convergence.


https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/to...ires-lmh-lmdh/
Convergence is the main reason there's so much manufacturer interest in the first place, the poor execution and BoP mess is another problem.
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Convergence is the main reason there's so much manufacturer interest in the first place, the poor execution and BoP mess is another problem.

I agree with you and I do not complain about the convergence.
But it seems unfair to me to say that it has no impact on the current BOP problems.
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Old 9 Apr 2021, 05:15 (Ref:4045254)   #7947
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I think if imsa put its foot down and said hybrids need to make more power, the 800+hp would have stayed. Im hopeful in a years time they at least consider dropping minimum weight to 950kg or thereabouts.
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It's an impressive driver line up developing this hydrogen car - Vandoorne, Nato and Richelmi.
And they are getting even further ahead of the game than all the GT drivers jumping into LMP2.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...r-for-h24.html
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As Napolis says, in the beginning, the power of the engines was much more important.
I therefore deduce that the problem would not have arisen without the convergence.


https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/to...ires-lmh-lmdh/
That is correct to a point - but the main reason things were to be slowed was if I recall correctly when Aston Martin wanted to join with a road car based project they insisted that the minimum weight was increased. This was before convegence was a thing as the ACO at that point wanted to go it alone.
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If only someone had written this all down while it was happening...
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