WMSC hearing - McLaren fined $100 million/excluded from WCC (MERGED)

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I am not concerned about this at all...There will be nothing wrong with the 2008 McLaren like there was nothing wrong with this years car..

I hope you're right.

But if it looks like a duck.............

[JeremySmith]

The question one has to ask is can McLaren build a championship winning race car..I would say "yes they can" and have proven that many times over...

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

The question one has to ask is can McLaren build a championship winning race car..I would say "yes they can" and have proven that many times over...

Indeed.

However,the real question is: Does the new McLaren contain any ideas that were found in the 780 page document that was (and maybe still is) in the teams possession?

[JeremySmith]

My intuition tells me it does not, and that they don't...

[Nicholosophy]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Indeed.

However,the real question is: Does the new McLaren contain any ideas that were found in the 780 page document that was (and maybe still is) in the teams possession?

More than likely it will. Who knows what is in that document, however we do know that F1 teams are always pushing the envelope and try new ideas all the time, even copying ideas seen on other cars.

Perhaps the FIA should give McLaren a new copy of the dossier so that they can be sure they don't use any of the ideas in it.

This is all going to end in tears...

[crmalcolm]

I'm sure Ferrari have seen something on a McLaren in the past and thought 'I wonder if we could do something similar'. Certain ideas, if tested succesful by a team, will spread to others (Just look at all the extra winglets etc. on current designs).
If McLaren develop some form of wheel cover this year, they will obviously be accused of copying Ferrari's idea, would Williams, for example, be allowed to develop a wheel cover?
What if McLaren decided to develop a longer wheelbase car, having seen on track the success of long wheelbase cars and studied next years circuits. Would this be Ferrari's design?

[Adam43]

Anyone with half a brain or a slight insight into F1 can see how unworkable it is, or what a joke it is. However the FIA continue because they want to show how fair F1 is. Presumably their target audience are only the people who have a passing interest in the sport. Great. Ditched again.

[ensign14]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I'm sure Ferrari have seen something on a McLaren in the past and thought 'I wonder if we could do something similar'.

Yes. Like beryllium parts and twin brake pedals. Then they find they can't do it so they get it banned.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by ensign14

Yes. Like beryllium parts and twin brake pedals. Then they find they can't do it so they get it banned.

Perhaps that's what McLaren need to do. Get everything that was in the dossier banned then they can't be accused of using it.

[Gt_R]

They got the floor banned for a start, good job..and instigated the demise of the mass dampers. So don't worry, Mclaren isn't new to this game of getting the FIA to do a dirty job

As for the twin brake pedal, Ferrari weren't the only ones wanting to ban it, once the journalist photographer revealed pictures taken inside the footwell to the public.

Frankly, many are exaggerating what FIA will do.... Probably all we'd ever read is a headline "FIA set to check Mclaren's car after Christmas", followed by "FIA gives Mclaren the green light"...and case closed.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Gt_R

Frankly, many are exaggerating what FIA will do.... Probably all we'd ever read is a headline "FIA set to check Mclaren's car after Christmas", followed by "FIA gives Mclaren the green light"...and case closed.

Followed by Ferrari taking McLaren to court for using red in their car colour scheme.......

[Alan Raine]

What happens if Ferrari build a car that looks like this years McLaren

[ralf fan]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

What happens if Ferrari build a car that looks like this years McLaren

Mclaren will be fined because Ferrari thought of the look first.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

What happens if Ferrari build a car that looks like this years McLaren

McLaren go to court to get the design declared illegal.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

What happens if Ferrari build a car that looks like this years McLaren

Surely the trick is to build a car that looks like next years McLaren.

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Surely the trick is to build a car that looks like next years McLaren.

I kind of meant a car with the Newcastle Swing Bridge as a front wing

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

I kind of meant a car with the Newcastle Swing Bridge as a front wing

Won't all the cars have one of those next year?

I understand that Honda are going to use a car that at the beginning of a race will be 10 kgs lighter than at the end of a race.This is because they are building a car from living organisms that actually multiply as it is being driven along.You heard it here first!

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Won't all the cars have one of those next year?

I understand that Honda are going to use a car that at the beginning of a race will be 10 kgs lighter than at the end of a race.This is because they are building a car from living organisms that actually multiply as it is being driven along.You heard it here first!

Imagine the smell from the exhaust

[Gt_R]

New meaning to the term "old faaaarrrttt"

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

I understand that Honda are going to use a car that at the beginning of a race will be 10 kgs lighter than at the end of a race.This is because they are building a car from living organisms that actually multiply as it is being driven along.You heard it here first!

Avoiding the need to 'pick up rubber' on their in lap then!

[mjstallard]

Not that I ever look at the Daily Mail website for anything other than the sheer hilarity of it all, but it seems the FIA have started their investigation of the 2008 McLaren:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...cc=picbox&ct=5

Well, we'll see in less than a month to see if the MP4-23 has fallen foul of Max's dislike of "ideas" on the car!

[Marbot]

That's a "DailyMail" article.I'm surprised to have read that no one was shot,stabbed or beaten to death during the incident.

[Ralf's Girl]

No murders, but house prices will plummet as a result of the investigation.

[Gt_R]

The article made it sound as if its a major drug bust! Raided! holly.. they may as well add that Max is sniffing around like man's best friend..

[garcon]

I suspect if the Daily Mail are onto it, Max's investigation will uncover links between McLaren and Princess Diana's death (she was in a Mercedes after all). There's also the rumour that Dennis paid illegal immigrants £1.50 a day to dig the moat... er, lake... at Woking.