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21 Aug 2012, 10:42 (Ref:3122479) | #26 | |
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Let me also point out the AFL (prev VFL) grand final has been held over varius weekend over a 8 week period, they still count them all.
The NRL, under varius names has done the same thing And the ARDC would not have been able to hold Bathurst on the NSW Labour day holiday in 2000 (because of the olympics), so according to some of you, it would have died then anyway. |
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I think the "V8 Supercars" element needs to be taken out of the issue.
2012 simply marks 50 years since the first mainstream endurance race for production/touring/supercars at Mount Panorama, Bathurst. Even if there were no races in 97 and 98, instead of 2, we would be still celebrating 50 years since the first event. I don't believe V8SC are hi-jacking the event or claiming it to be the 50th running of the Bathurst 1000. If anyone does, they are wrong. You need to make the distinction between it being 50 years as opposed to 50 events. Regardless of whether it's V8 Supercars, Production Cars or 2 Litres etc let's celebrate the event for what it is : 50 yrs that has seen the evolution of Australian motoring and motorsport at the greatest bit of road on the planet. Everything evolves and we will see that heritage on display this year. |
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I with NinnyMann on this one.
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Bathurst was a completely seperate event from the ATCC, in organisation and even for some years a completely different class structure! Just because cars in the ATCC were eligible for Bathurst does not make them one and the same. As an example, the 1984 German GP was held at the Nurburgring. In 1985 the German GP was held at Hockenheim, but later in the year the Nurburgring hosted the European GP.... the 1985 European GP at the Nurburgring had mostly the same teams & drivers as the 1984 German GP at the Nurburgring.... but it would be wrong for the 1985 European GP winner to claim he had won the German GP, correct? Now apply that here Quote:
2012 marks 50 years since the 1962 Bathurst 6hrs , the race used to show that Mt Panorama was up to taking over the 500 from Phillip Island in 1963. |
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I said in 1996 we had ATCC cars and we did in 1997 also. to show which race was the same and which one wasn't But as you pointed out for the previous 23 years and also for the subsequent 15 (or whatever the number is) THE ATCC cars have been the standard at Bathurst 1000 race. There are two parties involved in what happened in the race, The winner was gracious and acknowledged the history of the race including the two competiting races (but not the travisty of 99). they have included it as part of their history since at least 2001. They have moved on Some from the losing side are still bitter though. |
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In the 21st year you come along and start the 'peckstar 1000', running it at Sandown too, and all my entrants choose to race in your race. This leaves me to change my regulations and get different entrants. Would you try and claim the 'peckstar 1000' was actually the 'one five five 1000'?? Of course not I never had a side I've always enjoyed V8 racing and happily watch the V8Supercars race at Bathurst each year. However i am interested in accurate record keeping & statistics |
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Sandown 500 will have a different promoter this time, than last time it was run. It will also be on a different weekend. Does that mean they cant use the history of previous 500's? They're just a promoter, its the product that's the important thing. |
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The battle hadn't been won in 1999 then they could hardly be gracious winners then, Last edited by peckstar; 22 Aug 2012 at 12:38. |
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it was interesting to watch Howzat the other night (looking forward to Sunday)
Cricket needed a shake up, the cricketers were not seeing their share of the money, so a coup happened AFL was the same, but it was reasonable bloodless NRL was the same, but there was a lot of Bloodshed and Motorsport was the same. TEGA took over and signed a new tv partner and there was some bloodshed, mainly the blood of the ARDC, but also some of Bathursts, (and the promoters/track management at other tracks) It could have been painless, but channel 7 got stubborn because they really only wanted bathurst and not the series and because they were tied up with the ARDC well what happened, happened. Channel 7 said we have the rights to Bathurst. V8SA said well channel ten have the rights to V8Supercars/ATCC, so there was a clash. So channel 7 went there own way with their own cars in a poorly supported race and V8SA with channel ten went to a different weekend and had one of the best ever attended Bathursts and certainly the best for many years. |
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IMG were the last promoters of the Sandown 500 on behalf of Jon Davison who was running the track. Now that the horse racing fraternity run the track themselves, they have put another promoter in charge. But at no time was a promoter holding a rival Sandown 500 denouncing the other event, then trying years later to claim it all as their own. You can't have it both ways (but V8Supercars obviously thinks it can) Quote:
Perhaps you should get some facts straight before unloading unfairly on other members the ARDC had nothing officially to do with the running of the 1999 Bathurst 500 event (they may have provided some officials as hired help, but that was it). The ultimate format of the event was the brainchild of Advantage International (which became Octagon) and Channel 7 |
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I see the handbags are still swinging in here girls!!!
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we should meet up somewhere, lets have a drag race guys.
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DRT, Axeman and one five five, please be quiet, you're only encouraging Pecky.
BTW Pecky, please go to a record shop and by a new one, you're sounding a lot like a broken record. The bonus in actually going to a record store and not simply buying one on line is that you have to stand up to go out and that will give your brain a rest. Don't forget to lift your arms when walking so as not to take anymore skin off your knuckles. Also Pecky, you might like to try to remember that when the news of the Supertouring Bathurst was announced on Ch 7 news and sport programmes, it was also announced it would keep the rights to "The Great Race" tag. |
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