End of the road for Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore

[Casper]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

They are about the same size as Formula One or Indycar cars, which do just fine at commanding prices for stickers on cars!

SF5000, offering lower costs than Supercars and great performance, has potential as a rival premier category...

That does not make them as big as a sedan body, it would be business suicide to promote them as a replacement for SC as we now know it. Open wheelers as much as I would like them to be will never be and have never been the premier racing series in Oz even though they were very popular for a short time but never the headline act. The Tasman series was extremely popular for a few months of the year for a while but that faded when the stars did not bother taking the trek down under. Ending that series also had another knock on effect and that was current cars from OS were not imported in the same numbers.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by bluesport

I was lucky then, I must have one of the last Japanese built MU-X.

Sorry to disappoint. The MU-X were never assembled or partially assembled in Japan, only Thailand, India and China.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by dsg

Sorry to disappoint. The MU-X were never assembled or partially assembled in Japan, only Thailand, India and China.

Carsguide said Japan at the time........still, I haven't got a dodgy transmission or faulty discs so I'm happy about that.

[Terry S]

Because much of recent posts here are about the relative merits of various utes I thought for interest I would list the sales for January of the Top 10 sellers in the "Combined 4 x2 and 4 x 4 Ute class" :

Toyota Hi Lux 3,951
Ford Ranger 2,564
Mitsubishi Triton 1,697
Holden Colorado 1,544
Nissan Novara 1,083
Mazda BT - 50 1,046
Isuzu D - Max 859
VW Anorak 544
Mercedes X - Class 120
Great Wall Steed 71

[bluesport]

Ford and VW working together on the next generation ute.

[Driver TBA]

I'd be interested to see those figures without mining and fleet sales. What are the private buyers forking out for?

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[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Driver TBA

I'd be interested to see those figures without mining and fleet sales. What are the private buyers forking out for?

User chooser market is dominated by crew cab utes because of ****ing stupid tax rules.

[Driver TBA]

Originally Posted by Mixer

User chooser market is dominated by crew cab utes because of ****ing stupid tax rules.

I'm one of those.

I'm curious about brands people are buying. I reckon the Ranger might be no. 1 and the Colarado and Triton much tighter near the front.
The Hilux is stupid expensive and only just got out of the 3 year warranty dark ages. The Triton on the other hand is dirt cheap with a massive warranty.

The Ranger seems to be the new SS/XR6T ute. Decked out with every ARB accessory and never sees a dirt road....

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[GTRMagic]

Show up with product people want to buy, don’t just keep telling people to shut up..

[Driver TBA]

“We’ve decided to fight back … with sass and humour and confidence and swagger and take on the many keyboard warriors out there"


Jerry Seinfeld to 888?

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[Casper]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Show up with product people want to buy, don’t just keep telling people to shut up..

In your expert opinion what would that product be, not what should it have been but what do they need now.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/faceli...utm_source=smh

[mayhem]

I’d have thought given their current market position that keyboard warriors should be low on the list of things to worry about.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by mayhem

I’d have thought given their current market position that keyboard warriors should be low on the list of things to worry about.

Yep, they've misread the market here in Oz.

[Driver TBA]

Hopefully Holden don't use GIC Campers method on social media.

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[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Show up with product people want to buy, don’t just keep telling people to shut up..

They're kinda limited in their options.

Either Euro GM, or Korean GM or Yank GM. In my opinion, I've listed them from good to bad. If you read the comments in social media, the locals want big RWD V8s, made here in Australia. Which in reality, no longer exist, and besides the sales boost at the very end, weren't selling in any meaningful number for quite a few years.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

If you read the comments in social media, the locals want big RWD V8s, made here in Australia.

Wasn't this always the problem going back decades? Everyone talked about having a big RWD V8 car but no one bought them.

V8 owners were a niche segment in a relatively small isolated market dominated by fleet sales.

[Umai Naa]

I'm with you on that.

The real numbers didn't reflect the supposed demand.

[Driver TBA]

People love the idea of owning a "big V8", but the reality is they're not that practical.

the old "if it wasn't for work, kids, the missus, economy, we go camping, etc. I'd own an SS / XR8 in a heartbeat".





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[Mixer]

I did a 1500km odd run in the South Island of NZ a couple of years back in a V8 VFII, and it was sublime. But for my normal drive in Sydney traffic, it just didn't make any sense for me.

Mind you neither does a ****ing monster truck but my wife wants a Ranger.

Maybe I should keep the car and change wife.

[mite5255]

Originally Posted by Mixer

I did a 1500km odd run in the South Island of NZ a couple of years back in a V8 VFII, and it was sublime. But for my normal drive in Sydney traffic, it just didn't make any sense for me.

Mind you neither does a ****ing monster truck but my wife wants a Ranger.

Maybe I should keep the car and change wife.

There are things that a wife can do, but a car can't

[Umai Naa]

The fact that the term mechaphillia exists, suggests otherwise...

[JAFA851]

Originally Posted by mite5255

There are things that a wife can do, but a car can't

True, but the car doesn't complain when you go racing every weekend, and spend half the weeknights working on the car for the next weekend. And the wife can't pull a 3T trailer either

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by JAFA851

True, but the car doesn't complain when you go racing every weekend, and spend half the weeknights working on the car for the next weekend. And the wife can't pull a 3T trailer either

Just buy the goddamn Ranger - you'll save a packet over trading the wife

[Terry S]

A guy walks into a Holden dealer and says to the salesman I'd like a Holden Commodore like I see racing in Supercars with a V8 engine and rear wheel drive. The salesman says "I'm sorry Sir but we don't sell those, but I can sell you a Commodore with a V6 engine and front wheel drive". The guy walks out.

The guy walks into a Ford dealer and says to the salesman I'd like a Ford Mustang like I see racing in Supercars with a V8 engine and rear wheel drive. The salesman says "Certainly Sir, step this way".

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by Terry S

A guy walks into a Holden dealer and says to the salesman I'd like a Holden Commodore like I see racing in Supercars with a V8 engine and rear wheel drive. The salesman says "I'm sorry Sir but we don't sell those, but I can sell you a Commodore with a V6 engine and front wheel drive". The guy walks out.

The guy walks into a Ford dealer and says to the salesman I'd like a Ford Mustang like I see racing in Supercars with a V8 engine and rear wheel drive. The salesman says "Certainly Sir, step this way".

The same challenge was occurring at Volvo dealerships