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Old 19 Nov 2018, 08:19 (Ref:3864138)   #76
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I've watched the video. If you put it full screen then you will see the car lands forward of the person on the ground. It certainly appears from the perspective that it's going to land on him, but it does not. He is behind the gearbox.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 08:53 (Ref:3864158)   #77
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I hope the "new" FIA F3 car is as strong as this one.

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Old 19 Nov 2018, 09:02 (Ref:3864163)   #78
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It's odd, go to any major rally in the UK these days and there are publicity campaigns urging you not to stand on the outside of bends. So why did the risk assessment think it suitable to put a photo gantry on the outside of a corner at the end of a fast straight?

Has Macau been outgrown by the cars it hosts? Well the big boys go to Monaco and Singapore so there's no reason that we don't keep it as a circuit. The circuit isn't dangerous - it's difficult yes, but it's the drivers that make it dangerous. Maybe there's an argument for reviewing the licence criteria.

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Old 19 Nov 2018, 10:00 (Ref:3864174)   #79
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I hope the "new" FIA F3 car is as strong as this one.
Every single-seater have to pass crash tests, the new F3 chassis will install halo, too.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 10:10 (Ref:3864177)   #80
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Why is this race allowed, every year there seems to be horrendous accidents and people hurt, why does anyone want to race there and how does it get fia sanctioned?
The track safety regulations set by FIA is strict, just like other FIA events, like F1, WEC etc. But we have to remember that motor racing is a risky sport.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 11:31 (Ref:3864203)   #81
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Big crash, hope she recovers from it. Seen big F3 crashes at Macau, but none as big as that

Well done Ticktum on winning in style
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 12:30 (Ref:3864215)   #82
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The track safety regulations set by FIA is strict, just like other FIA events, like F1, WEC etc. But we have to remember that motor racing is a risky sport.
this, exactly. whilst there’s things that can be done to improve safety everywhere, all the time, the sport needs a balance between a challenge, staying safe whilst partaking in that challenge, and fun.

i wish they’d come up with a way of protecting single seater drivers better against back injuries though.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 12:43 (Ref:3864223)   #83
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The track should not be removed due to danger. An accident where a car becomes airborne and clears the barriers can and has happened at circuits with much more run off. Even if there was 100m more run off, that car would've still cleared the barrier.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r9lTFGkC8Y

That's one of the largest run offs in motorsport. Still lost very little speed and cleared the barrier. Should we ban Suzuka?

I agree motorsport needs to be as safe as possible, but there is a tipping point somewhere. Would this accident have happened elsewhere? Yes. So don't drop it. I don't think the cars are too fast for the circuit in terms of safety.

Whether the racing is good at the circuit is another question.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 12:46 (Ref:3864226)   #84
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Besides this accident, I witnessed something that the camera did not show for this year's race . I have a grid pass for the F3 race this year and waiting for the entrance to the grid. Some sponsor's grid girls gather a crowd on the entrance of the grid, the scene go chaotic while a number of guys who did not allowed to enter the grid rushing to the entrance gate. At the same time, team mechanics are transporting tyres and other equipment to the grid, while some of the crowd rushing with the mechanics to enter, that the guards are difficult to figure out who is eligible to enter the grid (grid pass holders are not allowed to enter the grid area at that time), and some confront happened. Maybe the organiser will put more strict rules on issuing passes to visitors?
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 13:47 (Ref:3864240)   #85
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that doesn’t sound surprising, the pitlane looked pretty unsafe at times during non-f3 sessions on the live stream, and the grid looked very busy for the races i saw too.

i suppose that’s the downside of having a lot of outside sponsorship involved with the race. there’s a heck of a lot of people sponsors want to bring along and feel included. with that comes entitlement.

it sounds like there’s a lot of things which in previous years were local quirks, but are now becoming problems.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 14:32 (Ref:3864247)   #86
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that doesn’t sound surprising, the pitlane looked pretty unsafe at times during non-f3 sessions on the live stream, and the grid looked very busy for the races i saw too.

i suppose that’s the downside of having a lot of outside sponsorship involved with the race. there’s a heck of a lot of people sponsors want to bring along and feel included. with that comes entitlement.

it sounds like there’s a lot of things which in previous years were local quirks, but are now becoming problems.
The pit-lane is only facilitate the F3 cars, and the "pitlane" you mentioned is officially called as paddock, the organiser offer paddock passes to the public with a price of HKD2100. There's a underground garage to facilitate the WTCR, GT and the supporting race's cars. And the incident happened at the paddock area.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 15:16 (Ref:3864254)   #87
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ah no, i’m referring to the actual pitlane as wll. it looked manic before the bike warm up session for example, and very busy before the saloon car race on the same day.

pitlanes in europe, particularly the uk, can be very busy too but generally they are well policed and people in them either know how to conduct themselves or learn very quickly.

i’m not surprised it happened in the paddock either - do you know whether they set a limit on passes and tickets sold? when i was there it felt far too busy, and the groups of people losing their minds over grid girls didn’t help!
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 15:23 (Ref:3864257)   #88
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From Autosport:

"A seven hour operation on her back was conducted on Monday, with doctors informing the media in a press conference afterwards that her vital signs are stable and limbs are active.

"It was also confirmed that TOM'S driver Sho Tsuboi had been discharged from hospital on Sunday night, while injured photographer Hiroyuki Minami has also been released.

"Chinese photographer Chan Weng Wang, who has a lacerated liver, is expected to remain in hospital for another 10 days.

"Race marshal Chan Cha suffered cuts and a broken jaw but should be released in three to four days.
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“different” doesn’t equal bad.

i hope sophia recovers quickly and is able to use the fact that a lot more people now know her name to her advantage. she works hard, and does a decent job. also hope the injured marshals and photographers recover quickly and that the accident reaffirms the safety advice already given to people signed on trackside.
Definitely not, different cars with a change in power/weight could make for better racing. But I would leave that for better racing minds, I just know the GT3 race wasn't exciting at all and fairly processional.

It does sound she was well cared for and well informed from the crash. Here's to hoping she's well on the road to repair and recovery and out thrashing a car again soon. And sounds the the workers/photo outside the fence will have an interesting story and back on their feet soon as well. And I'm thinking like Sophia this may not slow their interest or attendance.
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Every single-seater have to pass crash tests, the new F3 chassis will install halo, too.
The problem is that the circuit will have to be upgraded according to the FIA to a grade 1 track to accommodate the new F3 cars, something which the organizers have not committed to yet leaving next years event in question.
I would personally love to see Macau, Pau and Zandvoort form an official World Cup using the regional F3 chassis/engine combinations so open to anybody competing in regional F3. Winner gets a fully funded drive to International F3.
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This Macau track is horrible. Too narrow to pass, then you had the GT3 race crunch last year, and now the Sophia F3 crash.
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This Macau track is horrible. Too narrow to pass, then you had the GT3 race crunch last year, and now the Sophia F3 crash.
Think that's exactly the thing wrong, it appears the cars have literally outgrown the track. Now that's a problem it seems like everyone complains about especially with the GT3 land yachts that seem to take up the entire road and planet. The track itself is still the exciting and perilous circuit it has always been, we're just trying to race trucks on a go-cart track
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I can’t help but think these track critics, for the most part, have never been to the place.

Half of the track is narrow and twisty but the other half is like the M25!

And if you look at how the lap record has progressed in the last 35 years, you’ll see it’s really not that much at all.
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This Macau track is horrible. Too narrow to pass, then you had the GT3 race crunch last year, and now the Sophia F3 crash.

So shall we all go racing only in those interesting Tilke mega tracks like Bahrain and so on?


Anyway the car just took off cause of the FIA blue sausage kerb.
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According to Autosport, those blue kerbs were one of the things that - by coincidence - saved Sophia's life.

See: https://www.autosport.com/f3/news/14...d-florsch-life
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That is a big assumption.
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I can’t help but think these track critics, for the most part, have never been to the place.

Half of the track is narrow and twisty but the other half is like the M25!

And if you look at how the lap record has progressed in the last 35 years, you’ll see it’s really not that much at all.
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I love the consistent keyboard warrior syndrome on display. Everyone else can have a reasoned discussion and two who show a consistent lack of racing knowledge decide this of us discussing things are clueless. In fact I have read 100s of articles and few books about the event and the conclusion from some involved, as in actually I don't know contributing to the event, is there had to be changes and will continue to be changes in the event. Older cars were banished, setups were limited and track changes have been made. I would recommend before you expose yourself as clueless research would be a good plan.
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What track changes? I have been there so many times and the track hasn’t changed at all.

I don’t think your clueless, but someone commented the track is do narrow, when half of it is extra-wide!
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I can’t help but think these track critics, for the most part, have never been to the place.

Half of the track is narrow and twisty but the other half is like the M25!

And if you look at how the lap record has progressed in the last 35 years, you’ll see it’s really not that much at all.
yup. but don’t get the facts get in the way of a good firey torch and pitchfork crusade.

thing is, it’s not part of a championship. if a driver doesn’t fancy it they don’t have to go. but there’s not many that dodge it versus the guys who come back year on year.

from what the boss says it sounds like the halo could have saved sophia from her back injury, which is a... significant note to end the last halo-less season of f3. the only one to continue without is brdc f3.
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