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Old 29 Mar 2021, 13:20 (Ref:4043711)   #226
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Agreed. To RB's credit they really did just accept it quickly.

If anything, Max was more questioning the timing of give back and or discussion about whether he should have taken the penalty amd not a woe is me rant.

I thought it very mature by RB and a clear sign their focus is on a long season and not on the often odd and evolving FIA rule book.
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Old 29 Mar 2021, 13:25 (Ref:4043713)   #227
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Agreed. To RB's credit they really did just accept it quickly.

If anything, Max was more questioning the timing of give back and or discussion about whether he should have taken the penalty amd not a woe is me rant.

I thought it very mature by RB and a clear sign their focus is on a long season and not on the often odd and evolving FIA rule book.
I noticed this too. They were very grown up about it. Really good to see from Max and the team.
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Old 29 Mar 2021, 14:20 (Ref:4043719)   #228
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This all could be avoided and self-solved by putting a 1-1.5m wide lower grip surface between the kerb and the outside tarmac. No one would go wide then because it is self-punishing. No need to discuss, check, change or punish before, during and after. In my view it would be a breath of fresh air.
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Old 29 Mar 2021, 14:43 (Ref:4043724)   #229
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This all could be avoided and self-solved by putting a 1-1.5m wide lower grip surface between the kerb and the outside tarmac. No one would go wide then because it is self-punishing. No need to discuss, check, change or punish before, during and after. In my view it would be a breath of fresh air.

What Iíve been saying for ages. Cars will always go off track and these constant track limit investigations are very wearisome. Just have run offs where cars canít gain an advantage
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Old 29 Mar 2021, 14:50 (Ref:4043726)   #230
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What Iíve been saying for ages. Cars will always go off track and these constant track limit investigations are very wearisome. Just have run offs where cars canít gain an advantage
This is why silverstone works particularly well. Kerb, 1.5m grass, tarmac, gravel
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Old 29 Mar 2021, 15:03 (Ref:4043729)   #231
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This all could be avoided and self-solved by putting a 1-1.5m wide lower grip surface between the kerb and the outside tarmac. No one would go wide then because it is self-punishing. No need to discuss, check, change or punish before, during and after. In my view it would be a breath of fresh air.
Gravel and tarmac run-off areas are a necessary evil. Kerbs aren't, at least not the sort of kerbs that have gradually grown up on race tracks everywhere. A kerb need only be a small strip of concrete to stop the edge of the tarmac crumbling. So now the only problem is how to stop drivers deliberately going off track.

Inside and outside of corners are different problems.

Inside: Remember those tyre bundles that caused so much havoc at Monza about 20 years ago. There wasn't much wrong with them except they needed to be tethered so they couldn't roll onto the track. Of course old tyres would be far too low-tech for F1 these days, so they would need to be made of carbon fibre for lightness, and then part filled with spent uranium to increase their weight. Just something perched on the apex that is hard enough and heavy enough to risk damage if you hit it.

Outside: Taxi's low friction strip is one worthy idea. Another would be a drop-down step so going off the road would be harmless, but getting back on would require a time-consuming route around some obstacles. Or maybe just a proper high kerb. Or a long string of tyre bundles (see hi-tech alternative above) fastened together but not fastened to the ground. They would safely decelerate a car hitting them, but would make getting back to the road a bit time-consuming and therefore not something to risk deliberately.

The mighty brains of F1 could surely come up with something if the incentive and motivation was there.
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Old 29 Mar 2021, 15:35 (Ref:4043739)   #232
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The specific bit they were running wide on is actually turn 5 on the outer circuit. Putting something slippery there would be... less than optimal.

Putting something big & heavy there would be perfect. A movable wall made from concrete blocks would do the job.
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The specific bit they were running wide on is actually turn 5 on the outer circuit. Putting something slippery there would be... less than optimal.

Putting something big & heavy there would be perfect. A movable wall made from concrete blocks would do the job.

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Old 29 Mar 2021, 16:07 (Ref:4043750)   #234
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The specific bit they were running wide on is actually turn 5 on the outer circuit. Putting something slippery there would be... less than optimal.

Putting something big & heavy there would be perfect. A movable wall made from concrete blocks would do the job.

Something sticky like treacle could do the trick!
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Old 29 Mar 2021, 17:09 (Ref:4043761)   #235
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My preferred option would be a moat.......
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Hrm... that could be used if the outer circuit was used for rallies or rallycross... There's an idea!
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I noticed this too. They were very grown up about it. Really good to see from Max and the team.
It may very well be an act of maturity by everyone involved. I also sort of wondered if they are maybe just a bit giddy in that Mercedes maybe wasn't sandbagging in testing and that they are starting the season on a more equal position. Plus that the loss was more on them than a dominant Mercedes.

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It may very well be an act of maturity by everyone involved. I also sort of wondered if they are maybe just a bit giddy in that Mercedes maybe wasn't sandbagging in testing and that they are starting the season on a more equal position. Plus that the loss was more on them than a dominant Mercedes.

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meanwhile Otmar apparently spent the post race trying to tell the officials that the rules have very much negatively affected teams with a low rake set up.

i think RB have a lot to be hopeful for this season!

for sure Merc will remain the top Merc powered team but their advantage at almost every track looks to be waning. im hopeful that on outright pace, the Mclaren may even be able to beat the factory team at one or two venues!
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It may very well be an act of maturity by everyone involved. I also sort of wondered if they are maybe just a bit giddy in that Mercedes maybe wasn't sandbagging in testing and that they are starting the season on a more equal position. Plus that the loss was more on them than a dominant Mercedes.

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Iím sure on some level they are ****ed. It may well be an act, but realizing that they should act mature shows some level of maturity. Iíll give them credit for that.
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meanwhile Otmar apparently spent the post race trying to tell the officials that the rules have very much negatively affected teams with a low rake set up.
The problem of running a car someone else designed is that your team of engineers donít understand it enough.
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