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Old 29 Mar 2021, 22:30 (Ref:4043825)   #241
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The problem of running a car someone else designed is that your team of engineers donít understand it enough.


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Old 30 Mar 2021, 02:03 (Ref:4043840)   #242
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Surely in 2021 we can put a sensor on every car, like lane keeping sensors on road car. Then the rule is simple, you cannot cross the line ANYWHERE.
If you cross the line, a light goes on your dash, your team and stewards are instantly notified. Except if you spin etc, theres a penalty. All corners and straights, all drivers, all the time.. fair.
In every other sport there is a outline to the field/court/playspace and you have to stay in it full time.
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 07:25 (Ref:4043858)   #243
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The problem of running a car someone else designed is that your team of engineers donít understand it enough.
This is almost certainly a factor you would think.

I was amazed how well they did with it last year though, so no reason they can't figure it out again this season.
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 07:34 (Ref:4043859)   #244
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This is almost certainly a factor you would think.

I was amazed how well they did with it last year though, so no reason they can't figure it out again this season.
Last year they had the 2019 set ups, now they need to come up with new ideas, when the whole concept of the car is the virtual opposite of their own which was developed over many years.
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 08:16 (Ref:4043862)   #245
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Surely in 2021 we can put a sensor on every car, like lane keeping sensors on road car. Then the rule is simple, you cannot cross the line ANYWHERE.
If you cross the line, a light goes on your dash, your team and stewards are instantly notified. Except if you spin etc, theres a penalty. All corners and straights, all drivers, all the time.. fair.
In every other sport there is a outline to the field/court/playspace and you have to stay in it full time.

One would like to believe that it is not beyond the wits of the FIA to properly monitor this, because the world's athletics' authorities have been disqualifying runners for straying outside of their lanes during sprint races for donkeys' years.
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 08:19 (Ref:4043863)   #246
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They already do this with pressure pads at a lot of circuits.
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 08:49 (Ref:4043868)   #247
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They've made a rod for their own backs by allowing it to happen for so long, sometimes penalising, sometimes not plus an unhealthy dose of apparent ambivalence about whether to apply the rule or not - even in the same meeting. It is totally ridiculous.
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 09:47 (Ref:4043883)   #248
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Taxi645 has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
Why rely on tedious penalties when you can design the tracks to handle it instantly and automatically themselves?
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 10:59 (Ref:4043893)   #249
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Why rely on tedious penalties when you can design the tracks to handle it instantly and automatically themselves?
What would we talk about then?
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 11:12 (Ref:4043895)   #250
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Why rely on tedious penalties when you can design the tracks to handle it instantly and automatically themselves?

That's too obvious a solution. This is Formula 1, if a way can be found to over complicate something, then it will.
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Thing is I donít have a problem with asphalt run off per se, even if it lessens the challenge of some corners. But when itís in places where the track limits argument comes up, then it shouldnít be there
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 11:47 (Ref:4043901)   #252
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Track limits are clearly defined by the ISC.

Why is it necessary to mess with that?
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Old 30 Mar 2021, 12:13 (Ref:4043903)   #253
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Thing is I donít have a problem with asphalt run off per se, even if it lessens the challenge of some corners. But when itís in places where the track limits argument comes up, then it shouldnít be there
But the whole entire point of the turn 4 tarmac is because it's a separate piece of track for a different layout! It's not just a runoff area. And because it's a piece of track, it may not be prudent (given the local peak temperatures) to build a wall across it a la Silverstone's International circuit using linked 1 and a half or 2 tonne concrete blocks as it'll ruin the surface given enough time in that heat.

Martin Brundle made a comment at the weekend about the fact that circuits had been changed to accommodate ever-faster and more complex cars and bikes, and sometimes the balance between the two isn't right for one or the other - or, sometimes, either.

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Track limits are clearly defined by the ISC.

Why is it necessary to mess with that?
The biggest issue at the weekend was the changes in rules, and subsequent non-compliance.

Mr Masi needs to start throwing a few black'n'whites and time penalties at drivers who transgress the limit. They'll soon stop.

That said, it's what happens at club level in the UK and the beggars still do it! I have a notepad from a meeting at Donington last year that has something like 40 or 50 b'n'w or time penalties written in it. That was fun...
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The biggest issue at the weekend was the changes in rules, and subsequent non-compliance.

Mr Masi needs to start throwing a few black'n'whites and time penalties at drivers who transgress the limit. They'll soon stop.

That said, it's what happens at club level in the UK and the beggars still do it! I have a notepad from a meeting at Donington last year that has something like 40 or 50 b'n'w or time penalties written in it. That was fun...

The simple answer is to black flag all transgressors immediately just as they do in athletics, as I pointed out earlier. That truly will stop them.
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