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Otherwise its slow micky mouse corners on a tilkedrome no? I dont think there is an easy black and white answer here. ![]() |
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I've seen a few posts over the last couple of days on the internet referring to Monaco as never having a track limits problem. Yes - that is true. But let's be honest, because the track limits are so defined the racing is pretty rubbish. Very few attempts to overtake, and when those attempts go wrong we are stuck behind a safety car for numerous laps. |
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Greem is of-course right here, neither a wall or low grip strip would work well for a run-off that is actually used as track for a different layout. What they could do is make the kerb passed the bit of tarmac run-off that is also track significantly more troublesome to return over. Lose of grip/ floor damage is not nice. They would avoid it that way as well. Last edited by Taxi645; 30 Mar 2021 at 14:33. |
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Two alternative views on what was happening.
Radio exchange between Bono and Hamilton: Bono: "We're getting warnings about track limits at Turn Four so just tidy that up." Hamilton: "I thought there was no track limits. Bono: "Copy that on track Lewis but we are getting the messages from race control that you will get a black and white flag next time so five seconds. Hamilton: "I've been doing the same thing all race. That's f***ing bull****." Bono: "Yeah, they're getting a bit bumpy about it now." Whereas Masi describes the situation: "With regard to tolerance given with people running outside of the track limits during the race it was mentioned very clearly in the meeting and the notes that it would not be monitored with regard to setting the lap time, so to speak, but it will always be monitored in according with the sporting regulations that a lasting advantage overall must not be gained." [...] "No, nothing changed at all during the race, we had two people that were looking in that area at every car at every lap and pretty much every car bar one was doing the right thing within what we expected in a general sequence. There was the occasional car that had a bit of a moment or went out there but it wasn't a constant thing." So which is the correct version of the truth? ![]() |
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LH has been driving in F1 long enough to know rules change on a dime all the time so i say his outrage is not true!
![]() i like that race control played that message as well as the Horner one where he explained to max what LH was doing (a subtle piece of work on Horner's part i thought). personally i like the transparency of it. based on the drivers' opinions in the briefing, Masi allowed them a little latitude here and once a team took issue with it (or specifically one driver using it too much) that latitude was taken away. i dont feel it was arbitrary and i feel like this was the proper way to deal with it. tracks evolve over race weekends...its not unreasonable that the race director's notes, directives, rules etc evolve with it as well imo. also once LH stopped using that extra bit, his tires on his final stint lasted much longer. less fuel, track rubbering in and of course slowing down and using less kerbs no doubt all contributed to preserving his tires, but there was a pretty sharp difference in tire life between his 2nd and 3rd stint on those hards. could that mean his 2nd stint on the hards where he only got 16 laps (i think) out of them was a self inflicted wound? |
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If you look at the Twitter link I provided above it clearly shows the rules set for T4 were different in practice and the race and it clearly shows multiple drivers doing the same thing INCLUDING Verstappen, even before Horner complained |
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What would have been laudably 'transparent' would have been for the race director to say that the same rule would be applied strictly in the race as it was in qualifying. No debate, no stretching the application of the rule, just do it and you're penalised. Simples.
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It’s disappointing too, because instead of talking about a fantastic race and win, all people are talking about on social media is Hamilton breaking the rules (even though he didn’t) and robbing max of a win |
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