2020 Historic Race dates and Club calendar thread

[Peter Mallett]

Hmm,

Yes I take your point.

[Gerard C]

If its not crazy to take a Racer 500 with 300 kilos and 55 hp, it gives ave 5,5kg/hp. Right? One remaining issue for racing at Zandvoort and Croix the same year, is there a recognized border between the UK and Holland. Or may be I missed something.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

One remaining issue for racing at Zandvoort and Croix the same year, is there a recognized border between the UK and Holland. Or may be I missed something.

It's called the North Sea, with points of entry dotted all along the coasts of both countries, such as Hull and Rotterdam. Similar to the UK - French border being the English Channel.

[Mike Bell]

As anticipated, GTSCC have four races in 2020. They will be joining other grids at-

Donington HF (May)

Thruxton Historic (June)

Castle Combe Autumn Classic (October)

Algarve Classic (October)

Not sure of race lengths at all meetings, but it was mentioned at their prize giving that there would be a 2hr race at Donington for the first time. Algarve traditionally is that length. Castle Combe could be qualifying and racing on the same day, so would guess shorter. Thruxton- we'll have to wait and see....

[Mike Crow]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

As anticipated, GTSCC have four races in 2020. They will be joining other grids at-

Donington HF (May)

Thruxton Historic (June)

Castle Combe Autumn Classic (October)

Algarve Classic (October)

Not sure of race lengths at all meetings, but it was mentioned at their prize giving that there would be a 2hr race at Donington for the first time. Algarve traditionally is that length. Castle Combe could be qualifying and racing on the same day, so would guess shorter. Thruxton- we'll have to wait and see....

Thruxton AND Combe. Great news.

[Willmaz223]

Good one. Shame no Silverstone as normally got good grid for that one.

Donington always have had a 2hr race. Hopefully Saturday evening again.

Might have convinced me to go to Thruxton I think for that one.

Pretty good. Really like the series as a Spectator as always have quality and a personal preference I tend to like Pre 66 GT races that are longer than 50 mins. Quite relaxing and intriguing when on Live Timing

[GCCheddaris]

Thruxton's historic meeting is looking very promising with MRL and the HRDC grids and now the GTSCC . Regarding the Castle Combe Autumn Classic don't forget that this year's meeting is a two day affair , therefore qualifying could be on the Saturday with racing on the Sunday a la the TT Celebration at Goodwood .

[Mike Bell]

Initially it was suggested GTSCC would be all on one of the two days at Combe, but that could change!

Unfortunately they’ll possibly lose a car or two for that meeting as it’s Peter Auto (Estoril) w/end after, then Algarve two weeks after that....

[John Elwin]

I see the HSCC meeting at Snett is set to be a Jim Russell/Formula Ford extravaganza. As I was there for the very first FF race (before Brands) when a batch of JRRDS FF's ran as a separate class in another race, perhaps I should go!

[Mike Bell]

HSCC Dunlop Saloon Car Cup has a 4 race calendar for 2020....

May 17/18th Silverstone International Trophy.

June 6/7th Donington Park

July 3-5th Knockhill

August 29-31st Oulton Park Gold Cup.

20 minutes qualifying and two 20 minute races, with an additional free practice at Knockhill.

[Willmaz223]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

HSCC Dunlop Saloon Car Cup has a 4 race calendar for 2020....

May 17/18th Silverstone International Trophy.

June 6/7th Donington Park

July 3-5th Knockhill

August 29-31st Oulton Park Gold Cup.

20 minutes qualifying and two 20 minute races, with an additional free practice at Knockhill.

Hope grids can get better as last year the series struggled to get above 20 with the woeful grid at Brands ( hence why its been scrapped ).

[Mike Crow]

Originally Posted by Willmaz223

Ho
grids get better as last year the series struggled to get above 20 with the woeful grid at Brands ( hence why its been scrapped ).

Donington date clashes directly with MRL at Thruxton. Both grids will be pretty thin I would expect.

[Willmaz223]

Originally Posted by Mike Crow

Donington date clashes directly with MRL at Thruxton. Both grids will be pretty thin I would expect.

Can't there for once be any transparency between organisations.

Also Spa Classic and Masters Historic Fest clashing. Why oh why.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Mike Crow

Donington date clashes directly with MRL at Thruxton. Both grids will be pretty thin I would expect.

Add Peter Auto at Dijon to that clash!

[Willmaz223]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Add Peter Auto at Dijon to that clash!

Talking about adding insult to injury. Blimey.

Although Peter Auto are in a different league to both Thruxton and the Masters Donington events in size.

Will be interesting how the grids are for Dijon with Le Mans Classic not long after.

[chunterer]

The wonders of scheduling versus the self interest of various series it seems!

3 meetings on at the same weekend with races catering for the same sort of cars is madness.

[Mike Bell]

Dijon l'Age d'Or has traditionally been held on the first weekend in June, so I see no reason why they should have to change from that date. Expect M. Peter thinks the same! Thruxton (MRL?) and HSCC (Donington) must have known that, so have presumably gambled on it not affecting their grids. Dunlop Cup is only race at latter of the two UK meetings which later tourers can enter, so remains to be seen if the earlier cars favour one over the other. My guess is majority will chose Thruxton.

[Gerard C]

Agree with you, Mike. There is no equivalent to Dunlop Cup on our continent. In the other hand GPAO - Age d'Or- will be the third appearance for the new Fifties series, after Castellet in April and Spa in May.

[Rudernst]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Dijon l'Age d'Or has traditionally been held on the first weekend in June, so I see no reason why they should have to change from that date. Expect M. Peter thinks the same! Thruxton (MRL?) and HSCC (Donington) must have known that, so have presumably gambled on it not affecting their grids. Dunlop Cup is only race at latter of the two UK meetings which later tourers can enter, so remains to be seen if the earlier cars favour one over the other. My guess is majority will chose Thruxton.

I think the HSCC gets less choice in circuit dates than You assume.
At least at the more popular tracks during the popular racing months my guess is that they have to take what is offered.

February or November might be a different story, but who cares...

Rudolf

[Mike Bell]

I don’t for one minute assume the HSCC gets a good choice of circuits, but the Donington round of the Dunlop Saloon Car Cup could possibly have been held at another meeting? Only 4 rounds, and one is at a non HSCC event.....

[Willmaz223]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

I don’t for one minute assume the HSCC gets a good choice of circuits, but the Donington round of the Dunlop Saloon Car Cup could possibly have been held at another meeting? Only 4 rounds, and one is at a non HSCC event.....

Could have been at the Donington Historic although that event has the HTCC race. Could look both ways on that one in that it could have bolstered or weakened the grid.

Also how many people race with Peter Auto and HSCC or Masters. Not many.

Could be wrong on that one but just from looking at the entry.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Willmaz223

Also how many people race with Peter Auto and HSCC or Masters. Not many. Could be wrong on that one but just from looking at the entry.

Yes, I can probably count on one hand the UK based cars that have raced in PA and MRL, possibly HSCC as well at somewhere like Silverstone Classic..... As said earlier, I can’t see PA being concerned too much by the clash.

[Mike Crow]

I would have thought Thruxton had much more flexibility on dates....

[Gerard C]

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[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Mike Crow

I would have thought Thruxton had much more flexibility on dates....

Are BARC still limited on the number of meetings per year, and when these must be though?

I thought last year that 1st weekend of June was already going to be tricky so I agree with those who suggest it could have been held later (or earlier?)

On the other hand, the HSCC Dunlop Cup series was started to try and keep the ST's going and add some latter Group A cars to bolster it. Although they say they welcome he Gr1/Gr2/GrA non cossie/m3 runners, I think by now these entrants know that the MRL series or going over the channel for Peter Auto is better suited to them.

As Mike said, surely it made sense for HSCC to NOT pick dates that clash with other meetings that have similar races on the card. Especially as it's a fledgling series. Unless of course they are deliberately choosing to do so to take entries away from other series...