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Old 1 Aug 2018, 12:14 (Ref:3840597)   #76
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I binge watched the full 2012 Supercars season on youtube in 2 weeks and the bloke is mental. Literally every pass is a massive dive and he does some very borderline stuff in general.

It's fun to watch but you'd be spewing if you were in the mid-pack trying to race against him.
At last, someone mentions a non-BTCC driver.
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Old 1 Aug 2018, 16:43 (Ref:3840682)   #77
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Who was that driver who raced that Indy BMW in the 2011 WTCC and did nothing in it for the first half of the season, then got replaced by d'Aste for one race, it moved a bit further up, then Turkington had a few goes and got the car into the top 10 every time. Trying to think who it was
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Old 1 Aug 2018, 21:55 (Ref:3840759)   #78
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Who was that driver who raced that Indy BMW in the 2011 WTCC and did nothing in it for the first half of the season, then got replaced by d'Aste for one race, it moved a bit further up, then Turkington had a few goes and got the car into the top 10 every time. Trying to think who it was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urs_Sonderegger - Here's your answer!
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Old 1 Aug 2018, 22:08 (Ref:3840764)   #79
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That’s it, thanks. For some reason I thought he was Russian, but wasn’t sure
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Old 1 Aug 2018, 22:10 (Ref:3840765)   #80
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That’s it, thanks. For some reason I thought he was Russian, but wasn’t sure
Marcel Costa wasn't better in the BMW Italy-Spain team in 2006.
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Old 2 Aug 2018, 02:31 (Ref:3840785)   #81
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Fabio Fabiani was well out of his depth as well. Usually qualified outside of 107%.
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Fabio Fabiani was well out of his depth as well. Usually qualified outside of 107%.
He only actually failed to qualify twice in his WTCC stint, reminds me of Ian Heward in the BTCC.
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Old 2 Aug 2018, 14:11 (Ref:3840865)   #83
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Ian Heward at least had the excuse that his car was well past it’s sell by date
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Ian Heward at least had the excuse that his car was well past it’s sell by date
True and some drivers had the excuse of having not even raced for ages like Russell Spence.
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Tony Crudgington was never the quickest
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True and some drivers had the excuse of having not even raced for ages like Russell Spence.
I guess if drivers had got a significant number of recent races in the bag, they'd struggle to be considered a one-off entrant?

I wonder how many of the drivers that are being listed here have some form of mitigation to justify there lack of success? I would imagine that if a proper analysis was made, and a bit of backstory given, others who may not be aware of certain drivers could make a judgement on whether the driver was really deserving of the title 'worst' - or just a victim of circumstance? (a la GP Rejects)

For instance - how bad is a driver who succeeds Ayrton Senna to a title?
Or that Spence was showing promise in a Touring Car, but his crash may have contributed significantly to his decision to withdraw from racing?

There's a lot more discussion to be had around these drivers I feel, and look forward to reading the story behind one of these 'worst' touring car drivers - hopefully we can get there and move on from short statements into some real discussion.
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Old 2 Aug 2018, 14:54 (Ref:3840883)   #87
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Tony Crudgington was never the quickest
In a Class D Toyota, maybe not as good as Phil Dowsett
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But he beat everyone else by being the first BTCC car sponsored by a non-alcoholic lager!
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Sometimes I think I should have called this thread worst touring cars as some drivers like Nick May and John Lepp had the misfortune of driving the Maserati Bi-Turbo of the late 80s
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Sometimes I think I should have called this thread worst touring cars as some drivers like Nick May and John Lepp had the misfortune of driving the Maserati Bi-Turbo of the late 80s
Ever since this thread started I've been wondering who would be the first to mention Nick (No Gloves) May!
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Ever since this thread started I've been wondering who would be the first to mention Nick (No Gloves) May!
I know the Maserati clearly wasn't very good but a Class A entrant being passed by Crudgington's Class D Toyota must have been a real embarrassment.
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I guess if drivers had got a significant number of recent races in the bag, they'd struggle to be considered a one-off entrant?

I wonder how many of the drivers that are being listed here have some form of mitigation to justify there lack of success? I would imagine that if a proper analysis was made, and a bit of backstory given, others who may not be aware of certain drivers could make a judgement on whether the driver was really deserving of the title 'worst' - or just a victim of circumstance? (a la GP Rejects)

For instance - how bad is a driver who succeeds Ayrton Senna to a title?
Or that Spence was showing promise in a Touring Car, but his crash may have contributed significantly to his decision to withdraw from racing?

There's a lot more discussion to be had around these drivers I feel, and look forward to reading the story behind one of these 'worst' touring car drivers - hopefully we can get there and move on from short statements into some real discussion.
Of course, apart from picking holes in most if not all my posts (that's what it feels like even that's not the case), crmalcolm has a point. Not all drivers are bad, most are let down by the machinery at their disposal and this point is kind of what I've been trying to make myself, I'm just not very good at explaining things.
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Not all drivers are bad, most are let down by the machinery at their disposal and this point is kind of what I've been trying to make myself, I'm just not very good at explaining things.
The difficulty, at times, can be working out who has been let down by their equipment, and who is a genuinely poor touring car driver.

Most drivers will admit that touring car driving is a speciality of its own in the world of circuit racing. And then you get matters of set up. Some drivers have commented that the car is set up to a team-mate or predecessor's style. In the way Cammish's perceived lack of consistent pace - is that just down to TD setting up a style that suits Neal?

So even when someone is highlighted here in comparison to how someone else drove the same car - is that just down to the combination of style and set up?

Giovanardi looked average at first in the BTCC - so in my opinion, it is only really fair to judge a driver once they are at least mid way through their second season.
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The difficulty, at times, can be working out who has been let down by their equipment, and who is a genuinely poor touring car driver.

Most drivers will admit that touring car driving is a speciality of its own in the world of circuit racing. And then you get matters of set up. Some drivers have commented that the car is set up to a team-mate or predecessor's style. In the way Cammish's perceived lack of consistent pace - is that just down to TD setting up a style that suits Neal?

So even when someone is highlighted here in comparison to how someone else drove the same car - is that just down to the combination of style and set up?

Giovanardi looked average at first in the BTCC - so in my opinion, it is only really fair to judge a driver once they are at least mid way through their second season.
Fair point, I'm not judging any of the drivers of the past year or two, most of them have been at the very least decent.
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Steve Robertson struggled in the Mondeo. Another example of how a good many former single seater hotshoes struggled to adapt to front wheel drive tourers.

Tarquini, Alain Menu, Rickard Rydell, Laurent Aiello, Biela and to a lesser extent Kelvin Burt and Julian Bailey did very well though.
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Steve Robertson struggled in the Mondeo. Another example of how a good many former single seater hotshoes struggled to adapt to front wheel drive tourers.

Tarquini, Alain Menu, Rickard Rydell, Laurent Aiello, Biela and to a lesser extent Kelvin Burt and Julian Bailey did very well though.
The Mondeo was a dog by 1996 anyway.
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It was only Radisich's skill that got it into the points more often than perhaps it should have. That said the 96 Mondeo seemed to be more consistent over a race distance than the 95 Mondeo, which was a heavy tyre chewer and tended to drop down the order during the races. The 96 Mondeo didn't seem to have that problem
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Radisich had an unlucky career. Spent much of it dragging middling cars into the points, helped get Triple Eight set in Australia before being binned when they got good, then got to end it by working for a controversial boss who gave him a dung banger to drive.
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to drag this away from the BTCC again, Tim Blanchard must have the worst professional touring car gig going. Poor guy almost always coming home last. I don't know whether it's him or if he's been given a car similar to that 2013 model Lucas Dumbrell Motorsport car that trundled around last year 2017.

edit - just did my research. It's a brand new ZB but he now owns the license to compete so you'd think his seat is safe.

Races -160
podiums - 0
best championship position - 21st

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