[Official] Qatar Grand Prix 2021: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 20 of 22

[Beau2]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

I think after winggate and Brazil, if max isn’t penalised for this (along with any other drivers who infringed) the FIA would look plain embarrassing

They'll just remove his fastest lap - also it isn't clear at all from the video. No clear yellow flags on track and the message from race control was not sent to the drivers steering wheel as confirmed from Bottas and Max.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Beau2

They'll just remove his fastest lap - also it isn't clear at all from the video. No clear yellow flags on track and the message from race control was not sent to the drivers steering wheel.

I suggest you look again, I spotted them straight away along with the flashing yellow panel….

On the video

003-006 flashing panel
007-009 yellow flags

And I’m sat 3000 miles away

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by Beau2

They'll just remove his fastest lap - also it isn't clear at all from the video. No clear yellow flags on track and the message from race control was not sent to the drivers steering wheel.

In the past a 3 place grid peanalty was applied for this offence, rather than just losing the fastest lap. Not sure what if anything will happen this time - Mrs _r has hijacked the telly, so I have not seen the incident properly.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by steve_r

In the past a 3 place grid peanalty was applied for this offence, rather than just losing the fastest lap. Not sure what if anything will happen this time - Mrs _r has hijacked the telly, so I have not seen the incident properly.

Look on previous page at the bottom for the video

[steve_r]

Thanks. Yes, there is a yellow flag being waved, so - YIPEEE - stewards to take centre stage again.

[Beau2]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

I suggest you look again, I spotted them straight away along with the flashing yellow panel….

On the video

003-006 flashing panel
007-009 yellow flags

And I’m sat 3000 miles away

I suggest you look again too. Clear green flags on the inside of the circuit at the same point as the yellow flag. Time to look at the whole video and not just what you to see.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Beau2

I suggest you look again too. Clear green flags on the inside of the circuit at the same point as the yellow flag. Time to look at the whole video and not just what you to see.

Those green lights on pit Lane side at time stamp 8 second, 5 seconds AFTER the yellow lights and flags?

The green lights also aren’t the light boards used by the marshals for on track incidents

So. Answer this. Did max slow down for the yellow light board before your alleged green flag?….errr no.

Don’t pass go, don’t collect £200, have a 3 place grid drop and 3 penalty points on your licence.

And if you don’t believe me. Page 7….it shows the Marshals posts and light boards….not sure what sort of ‘green’ you’re seeing, but it ain’t a flag…..I suspect a leaf

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...ersion%203.pdf

[porsche962fan]

isn't this a clearly waved yellow flag ?

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

isn't this a clearly waved yellow flag ?

Yes. And it’s the only marshals point. There isn’t one on the inside as per pre race notes page 7

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...ersion%203.pdf

[steve nielsen]

Document 32 disapeared from the FIA site and now reapeared for the same thing, but for Car 55 Sainz

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...ow%20flags.pdf

[Beau2]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Those green lights on pit Lane side at time stamp 8 second, 5 seconds AFTER the yellow lights and flags?

The green lights also aren’t the light boards used by the marshals for on track incidents

So. Answer this. Did max slow down for the yellow light board before your alleged green flag?….errr no.

Don’t pass go, don’t collect £200, have a 3 place grid drop and 3 penalty points on your licence.

And if you don’t believe me. Page 7….it shows the Marshals posts and light boards….not sure what sort of ‘green’ you’re seeing, but it ain’t a flag…..I suspect a leaf

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...ersion%203.pdf

Nope. The ones that are clearly opposite the waved yellow flag and roughly where Gasly's car is located. You also have the issue of the track not being announced to the Driver's through their steering wheel. It was not communicated properly

I suggest you cut down on your sarcasm and wait for the steward's decision - it is pretty clear there are mitigating circumstances.

[porsche962fan]

isn't that document 34 ?

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by Beau2

- it is pretty clear there are mitigating circumstances.

I think that nothing is pretty clear, unfortunately!

[steve nielsen]

Both 55 and 77 now called to the stewards for yellow flags, no mention of 33 anymore

https://www.fia.com/documents/season...hampionship-14

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Beau2

Nope. The ones that are clearly opposite the waved yellow flag and roughly where Gasly's car is located. You also have the issue of the track not being announced to the Driver's through their steering wheel. It was not communicated properly

I suggest you cut down on your sarcasm and wait for the steward's decision - it is pretty clear there are mitigating circumstances.

ZERO mitigating circumstances.

There’s no green flag

Yellow light and flags clearly shown

Pre event notes 7.1 …no mention of a light on the steering wheel

Warning light from race control is a nice to have but not a pre requisit from obeying the flags.

You’re the one who told me to open my eyes…..sarcasm is fully from yourself

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

isn't that document 34 ?

believe me, when i appeared first, it was numbered 32

and somehow 33 , both the document or the driver are not found anywhere anymore

https://www.fia.com/documents/season...hampionship-14

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Both 55 and 77 now called to the stewards for yellow flags, no mention of 33 anymore

https://www.fia.com/documents/season...hampionship-14

they need golden boy off the hook

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

they need golden boy off the hook

The TV screens also showed green when Max passed

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

like the maFIA will penalize for real their golden boy

"for practical purposes any driver in a double yellow sector will have that lap time deleted" which AFAIk changes nothing as his next best lap time was still god enough for P2 ?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...-flag/6802819/

That Motorsport article also says: ''Should Verstappen be found guilty of ignoring the flags, he would lose his final lap time and could also face a grid penalty on safety grounds.''

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

The TV screens also showed green when Max passed

What did the light boards and flags show?

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

That Motorsport article also says: ''Should Verstappen be found guilty of ignoring the flags, he would lose his final lap time and could also face a grid penalty on safety grounds.''

But the document is not on the FIA site anymore

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

What did the light boards and flags show?

No onboard light, no panels

[Beau2]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

ZERO mitigating circumstances.

There’s no green flag

Yellow light and flags clearly shown

Pre event notes 7.1 …no mention of a light on the steering wheel

Warning light from race control is a nice to have but not a pre requisit from obeying the flags.

You’re the one who told me to open my eyes…..sarcasm is fully from yourself

Not going to get into this but your comment of 'And I'm 3000 miles away' wasn't sarcastic at all was it?

We'll wait for the decision.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

No onboard light, no panels

Light panel at the exit of the last corner flashing yellow, double waved yellow flags. Try again

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Light panel at the exit of the last corner flashing yellow, double waved yellow flags. Try again

No it did not, no panel with yellows