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6 Oct 2003, 12:05 (Ref:741806)
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6 Oct 2003, 12:17 (Ref:741828)
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Agree totaly JR on all points, do the BRSCC never take thier head out of the sand?
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6 Oct 2003, 12:18 (Ref:741832)
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6 Oct 2003, 12:21 (Ref:741838)
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re; URS FF2000 - alright, but plenty do and it seems common sense in a club formula.
Thanks for your agreement/compliment! |
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6 Oct 2003, 13:05 (Ref:741900)
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Yes it does make sense, the reason I asked if many other formulas do weigh car and driver, is that if it is becoming the norm, FF1600 might as well fall into line with the rest.
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6 Oct 2003, 13:23 (Ref:741917)
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Keep the FF1600 regs the same.
The only reason i can think they want to change the regs is so that Zetec 01/02/03 can be converted cheaper , at the moment if you have a RF01/2/3 you need to change all the uprights to fit steel callipers total cost £2k!!!! I think the rule 420kg car min,driver 75kg min, would be great.a few years ago we did some back to back tests at CC,adding 10 kg lead, cost 0.2sec a lap.Surely the only guys who can change the rules are FORD,does anyone know or is it all rumours? |
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6 Oct 2003, 13:25 (Ref:741918)
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10kg = 0.2 seconds! i cant believe its that much.
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6 Oct 2003, 13:31 (Ref:741924)
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can show you the data Rich
10kg = 10 bags sugar or 10lt fuel i've never sent a car out overweight, maybe the driver!!! just spend time on your car.Make sure you do a good job on the Swift.Also why are most of the very quick drivers small.eg MR,JF.DM,JH. |
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6 Oct 2003, 13:49 (Ref:741939)
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fair enough.
yeah will do, cheers. blimey on my maths that means some combe front runnedrs could do a low 1.10! interesting facts Jon. agree with you on the 75kg min driver weight if it was going ahead. |
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6 Oct 2003, 14:05 (Ref:741956)
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Zetec's have always run a car+driver weight limit - as I am hardly Twiggy or a Hugo Boss model, I think this is the only fair way to go. We have guys in our series who are 8 stone - so if 10kgs is 0.2sec then that is a huge amount of time lost before you even go racing. The "go down the gym" arguement wears a little thin I think.....
How do we get the BRSCC to assess the level of support for a weight change..?? |
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6 Oct 2003, 14:13 (Ref:741967)
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Working on that theory how much os a differance would alloy dampers & caliprs make, or is there another advantage other than weight saving?
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6 Oct 2003, 14:19 (Ref:741977)
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Ed and the Hutch had agreat battle at coombe john is no more than 60 kg drippin wet if the weight min was 500 he would have to add 20! yes 20kg to his car, when you bear in mind his car is an ff1600 and was designed to the regs why should he suffer an the conversions benefit?
Has any one taken into account the safety implications if a heavy driver further lightens his car to be closer to 500kg, scruts will have to be on the lookout for missing tubes and paper mache chassis - or is that just the quest! |
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6 Oct 2003, 14:28 (Ref:741987)
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I don;t think the idea is to benefit or punish the conversions or otherwise...I think the idea is to level up driver weight a bit more...I have always thought that Caterham have the best idea - and that is to weigh all the drivers at the end of the season - take an average and then make that driver weight for the following season. Could be easily done for the KoK at Brands or Silverstone in the coming weeks..
I perfectly understand it is difficult to add 20kg to a car (and there are soome safety issue also) - but it does level up the playing field massively. |
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6 Oct 2003, 14:30 (Ref:741989)
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Keep minimum car as it is 420kg ,only change min driver 75kg .
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6 Oct 2003, 14:53 (Ref:742012)
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I am sure the BRDC are reading the above with interest!
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6 Oct 2003, 15:01 (Ref:742021)
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We had this (mass) debate in classics a few years ago, with almost a 50/50 split on going to 500 Kg inclusive (the split depending on whether people thought they would gain an advantage or not). But in the end, we thought it was FF1600, so stay at 420 Kg car only - the simple solution. I agree there are safety implications if people are encouraged to keep taking weight off the older cars, on a budget !
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6 Oct 2003, 15:06 (Ref:742028)
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Out of interest - how many people would agree to 420kg car and 75/80kg driver min weight. To be honest if you are less than 75kg you have a damm sight more amounts of places to add lead or a heavier floor etc etc.
For the record I am happy for 420 car and 80kg driver min weights. |
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6 Oct 2003, 15:19 (Ref:742042)
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JNW, I think you will find most people are happy with that, except the 'little ones' who are say only 60 Kg !
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6 Oct 2003, 16:53 (Ref:742124)
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I agree with JNWRFO1 keep the min car weight at 420, a min driver weight of 75/80 will not really make any impact so is hardly worth doing, my main concern is that it seems nobody of any note has been consulted about major changes.
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6 Oct 2003, 17:43 (Ref:742165)
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I think I am missing somthing here!
if we keep the car the same at 420kg then everyone can leave the car alone. But If we have a minimum driver weight of 75kg do I have to carry 25KG in my pockets??? I doubt that 10kg makes 0.2 secs a lap, it may do with the same driver driving the same but line up 5 drivers all weighing 10kg's more then the next, all capable of equal lap times, I wonder if you would find 0.2 between them? If they want to make it car plus driver to allow for a driver to be 75KG then fine I will put a bigger battery in a heavier floor and probably a bit of lead under the seat, then I will learn how to drive it with the extra weight. John when you did this test did you change the set-up at all when you added the weight? ie. spring lengths on the front to get rid of the droop, ride height at the rear and damper setting to speed up the re-bound with the added weight?? Matt |
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6 Oct 2003, 17:44 (Ref:742168)
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sorry I meant 15KG in my pockets not 25KG I aint that light!!
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6 Oct 2003, 19:07 (Ref:742243)
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Zetecs have a minimum weight including driver or 525KG
So I guess your saying keep the minimum weight of the car at 420KG to stop people doing silly things to lighten cars if they are 90KG drivers. sure whack it to 500KG's including driver, I cant see many people having to change much, I will be happy to carry more weight , I bet you will find the people at the front are the same and the people in the middle are the same and yes those at the back are the same! Matt |
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7 Oct 2003, 06:40 (Ref:742611)
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Just to clarify - in Zetec the cars have to be 450kg min (which is not as easy as you may think to get to) and then the driver element is 75kg. You get weighed with and without the car - and they did keep a log of drivers weights.
I totally agreed that the people at the front will still be the same - and it really won't effect that many people - but it will just level the playing field for everyone. If Kents do go this route - you can add 8kgs just in the tye of calipers you run (we have had to change to the smallest to get the RF01 down to the weight) - so am happy to sell the heavy calipers! For the record - the rumours of Ginster Pasties and Walls Pork Pies sponsoring my car for next season are unfounded and untrue! |
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7 Oct 2003, 07:23 (Ref:742648)
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9 Oct 2003, 10:15 (Ref:744985)
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On a FF1600 theme, check out otem 2436612985 on ebay.
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