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Old 23 Nov 2019, 16:12 (Ref:3942381)   #31
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Hmm It seems that Medicals for International licenses are valid for a year, according to the MSUK web page

Renewal of International Licences

Your previous medical examination is valid for 12 months and can be used to renew your licence, provided that your application is received and processed before the 12-month validity period expires. The expiry of the 12-month validity period must be beyond 1st January 2020.

But National license medicals only last 3 months.
Is National racing more detrimental to your health then?
You’re interpreting it wrong. Read 10.1.1. “The licence must be issued within 3 months of the date of the medical.” That’s not the length of time the medical is valid for. In other words, you can have your medical up to 3 months before applying for a licence. The length of time the medical is then valid for varies according to age. (Also in 10.1.1)

International licence holders have to have a med every year, and it’s valid for 12 months. BUT, if you had a med in Jan this year, and apply for next years licence now, it is still valid, as it’s less than 12 months from issue. So you can get two seasons from one med if you play the system....
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Old 24 Nov 2019, 11:06 (Ref:3942523)   #32
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Let's get this in perspective. The rise is less than the cost of of the fuel to get to the channel port for our next adventure. For £155 or whatever it is we have access to a regulated, standardised, broadly level playing field with high safety standards. Most of us here would get back from a good night out and find that much missing from our wallets without a qualm.

Racing drivers get an awful lot in their sport FREE. Marshals, organisers, officials, club personnel - most do it for fun. Race meetings don't just happen. How fair is it that they incur expenses, early starts and long days just so we can enjoy ourselves? If by paying a little extra we can help reward them with training, expenses and a professional organisation then it's worth it. Someone has to pay for it, why shouldn't it be the end user?

We've been cosseted by a bargain basement governing body for 100 years. And we've done nothing but moan about said governing body. Maybe by paying a more realistic rate we'll get all those changes that we've demanded. If anyone can do it, Dave Richards can.

Remember two things - motor racing isn't compulsory and it's still cheaper than Belgium!

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Old 24 Nov 2019, 11:36 (Ref:3942527)   #33
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Remember two things - motor racing isn't compulsory and it's still cheaper than Belgium!

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Who wants to buy Belgium?
Just Spa maybe,.....
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Old 24 Nov 2019, 13:25 (Ref:3942554)   #34
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Who wants to buy Belgium?

Just Spa maybe,.....
Ooops! Maybe that should have said IN Belgium.

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Old 24 Nov 2019, 17:05 (Ref:3942580)   #35
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Discovered at the CSCC AGM today, that the MUK fee that each club pays for each and every competitor that signs on has risen from £21 to £33. No end of year rebates for clubs going forward either. That rebate was worth about £9k in previous years.
All costs are rising.
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Old 24 Nov 2019, 19:08 (Ref:3942599)   #36
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Max you've either been out of racing for far too long or you had too much last night and are still befuddled! Comments inline in blue.

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Let's get this in perspective. The rise is less than the cost of of the fuel to get to the channel port for our next adventure. (plus the £12 per race rise in the MUK 'permit fee') For £155 or whatever it is we have access to a regulated, standardised, broadly level playing field with high safety standards. (we had that this year too, but without the 50% increase in price) Most of us here would get back from a good night out and find that much missing from our wallets without a qualm. (the reason I can afford to race is because I don't blow £155 on a night out)

Racing drivers get an awful lot in their sport FREE. Marshals, organisers, officials, club personnel - most do it for fun. (not free - the latter 3 are all fully paid jobs covered by club membership fees, series/championship registration fees, and event entry fees; even the marshals are both paid a bit and given freebies by clubs like MGCC & CSCC) Race meetings don't just happen. How fair is it that they incur expenses, early starts and long days just so we can enjoy ourselves? (because they enjoy it too and treat it as a hobby, same as us) If by paying a little extra we can help reward them with training, expenses and a professional organisation (that already exists, provided out of current budgets) then it's worth it. Someone has to pay for it, why shouldn't it be the end user?

We've been cosseted by a bargain basement governing body for 100 years. And we've done nothing but moan about said governing body. Maybe by paying a more realistic rate we'll get all those changes that we've demanded. If anyone can do it, Dave Richards can.

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Old 24 Nov 2019, 21:29 (Ref:3942613)   #37
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Thought that my usual Devil's advocate stance would provoke some fun.

Definitely not all the MSUK officials and club organisers are full time paid jobs with freebies on top. Down in the dirty end there's still a lot of volunteers working for expenses only, or the love of the sport, they need supporting.

Yes I agree we had all the advantages of regulated sport last year at £50 less. As usual when someone offers something at a cheap price, there's a lot of discontent when a realistic price is charged. The current price was unsustainable according to what I've heard.

Bet you do spend £155 on a night out at a concert Food, drinks, tickets, travel...it all adds up.

Now, MSUK have made their objectives pretty well known and if they don't achieve them at this increased price, then we can hold them to account.



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Old 25 Nov 2019, 00:21 (Ref:3942636)   #38
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Although no longer a licence holder (though I was for almost 50 years) it seems to me that MSUK have played a bit of a sleight of hand here. The need for a medical has been removed (up to the age of 60) thereby saving competitors around £100 or more per year which went to the medical profession, not MSUK. They then increase licence fees by a hefty whack which does go to them.
We all know that the sport must be made cheaper for youngsters/newbies but I must question some of the spending by MSUK on liaison persons for this, that and the other, etc.
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Old 25 Nov 2019, 06:08 (Ref:3942690)   #39
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Youíre interpreting it wrong. Read 10.1.1. ďThe licence must be issued within 3 months of the date of the medical.Ē Thatís not the length of time the medical is valid for. In other words, you can have your medical up to 3 months before applying for a licence. The length of time the medical is then valid for varies according to age. (Also in 10.1.1)

International licence holders have to have a med every year, and itís valid for 12 months. BUT, if you had a med in Jan this year, and apply for next years licence now, it is still valid, as itís less than 12 months from issue. So you can get two seasons from one med if you play the system....
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Let's get this in perspective. The rise is less than the cost of of the fuel to get to the channel port for our next adventure. For £155 or whatever it is we have access to a regulated, standardised, broadly level playing field with high safety standards. Most of us here would get back from a good night out and find that much missing from our wallets without a qualm.

Racing drivers get an awful lot in their sport FREE. Marshals, organisers, officials, club personnel - most do it for fun. Race meetings don't just happen. How fair is it that they incur expenses, early starts and long days just so we can enjoy ourselves? If by paying a little extra we can help reward them with training, expenses and a professional organisation then it's worth it. Someone has to pay for it, why shouldn't it be the end user?

We've been cosseted by a bargain basement governing body for 100 years. And we've done nothing but moan about said governing body. Maybe by paying a more realistic rate we'll get all those changes that we've demanded. If anyone can do it, Dave Richards can.

Remember two things - motor racing isn't compulsory and it's still cheaper than Belgium!

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So glad I live where I do. 😂😂
As for getting two years out of your medical, I thought everyone knew of that trick? It was taught me around twenty years ago by non other than BSS himself. 😀
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Old 25 Nov 2019, 06:26 (Ref:3942691)   #40
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As for getting two years out of your medical, I thought everyone knew of that trick? It was taught me around twenty years ago 😀
Itís not even a trick- MSUK or MSA as were have always volunteered the information if you didnít already know.

Suggestion to anyone not clear on what they need in their particular case- just pick up the phone and call them.......
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Youíre interpreting it wrong. Read 10.1.1. ďThe licence must be issued within 3 months of the date of the medical.Ē Thatís not the length of time the medical is valid for. In other words, you can have your medical up to 3 months before applying for a licence. The length of time the medical is then valid for varies according to age. (Also in 10.1.1)

International licence holders have to have a med every year, and itís valid for 12 months. BUT, if you had a med in Jan this year, and apply for next years licence now, it is still valid, as itís less than 12 months from issue. So you can get two seasons from one med if you play the system....
This is and was my understanding . . . and was confirmed by the MSA/MUK early this year . . . . did all my stuff in Feb this year, so will be renewing this week and good to go for next season. . .
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Old 25 Nov 2019, 10:20 (Ref:3942705)   #42
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I think more to the point is that this (self-appointed, remember) so-called regulator wants £155 for a licence and then £xx from every single race entry.

This adds up to millions each year and yet they actually do very, very, very, very little for the average racer.

I’d go so far as to say they are totally unfit for purpose - and always have been old boy!
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This adds up to millions each year and yet they actually do very, very, very, very little for the average racer.
Which they freely admitted when they rebranded from the MSA. They said the focus was going to switch from helping an elite group who were paid to race to helping the majority of their license holders who are basically people who pay for their own entertainment.

They are in the very early days of that restructure so I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt (especially as I know how much insurance costs in general are increasing) and see how the next couple of years goes.

I do find it quite sad how vocal many are being over what is essentially a small increase in the grand scheme of things yet every club meeting I go to the cars get more and more expensive and the trailers/motorhomes/crews get bigger and bigger.
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I do find it quite sad how vocal many are being over what is essentially a small increase in the grand scheme of things yet every club meeting I go to the cars get more and more expensive and the trailers/motorhomes/crews get bigger and bigger.
Whilst this is very true, I don't think anyone on this thread is in that category. However, I also think, like you, we need to see what comes out of this.
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This adds up to millions each year and yet they actually do very, very, very, very little for the average racer.
You mean apart from organisation of race meetings, timing systems, training personnel, over-seeing marshals, sourcing insurance, ensuring a level playing field, driving safety standards allowing you to undertake your dangerous sport in the knowledge that these days there fewer people die racing than running...

...yes, yes, but apart from all that what have the Romans ever done for us?

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