Monaco - Obsolete: discuss

McArthur252 · 29 May 2011, 14:58 (Ref:2887516)

As much as it saddens me, as it should any F1 fan, I couldnt help but feel Monaco has become an obsolete circuit in need of several changes in order to maintain its place in F1 (as it rightfully should).
As a spectical it is un-matched, as a race track i think it lacks quite alot. Obviously after this weekend there should be safety concerns after 2 drives being knocked out and another near-miss. (Have to say though, the marshals did an incredible job shifting Maldonaldo's Williams within 1 lap!)

Although still "the jewel in the F1 crown", with multi-billions being spent at Abu Dabi et al, it's no longer the only show piece event of the year.

Please someone convince me otherwise, but despite the exciting race today, i can't see F1 staying in Monaco for many more years. At least not without several changes.

Opinions ladies and gentlemen?

Super Hans · 29 May 2011, 15:03 (Ref:2887521)

I can't see Monaco disappearing any time soon. It remains the jewel in the crown of F1. The drivers (in the main) enjoy it and it is extremely valuable to the teams in terms of attracting sponsorship. Plus, it can produce good races, as it did today.

E-racer · 29 May 2011, 15:14 (Ref:2887536)

They will race at Monaco 100 years from now, long long after Abu Dhabi has disappeared in the sand or beneath a new apartment development

Seriously, now with overtaking added to the mix, the place is just irreplaceable. There is no other F1 circuit where the results always remains in doubt as anyone, including the world champions can have last minute accidents. If you can't handle a circuit which punishes mistakes with a crash, I'm not sure why you are watching this sport in the first place.

JeremySmith · 29 May 2011, 15:25 (Ref:2887549)

Monaco will always be on the calendar it's a very historical racing venue..

You would have to visit to appreciate and fully understand what these drivers accomplish around the streets of the principality..

It's an impossible place to hold a F1 race which is what makes it so special..

Sodemo · 29 May 2011, 15:25 (Ref:2887550)

I think F1 has been lucky when it comes to incidents in the past few years there. I can't really remember the last crash fest at Monaco. Probably the race where Sato's engine blew in the Honda and about 4 cars were totalled after Tabac, not sure what year that was, maybe 2006.

No one got seriously hurt, so game on. Footballers get more serious injuries than what Petrov and Perez got. Maybe they should ban tackling too.

**Born Racer** · 29 May 2011, 15:26 (Ref:2887552)

Monaco is an excellent place to hold a race. I see it as a better layout than Abu Dhabi which is not a 'true' street circuit.

Welcome to Ten-Tenths McArthur 252.

McArthur252 · 29 May 2011, 15:32 (Ref:2887558)

I didnt say i didn't enjoy the race today. i loved it. I also want it to stay on the calender, as there is no other place like it with any where near the history of it.
merely pointing out that the track looked old this weekend, and at no point do you want to see drivers injured. mistakes punished, yes, but not through a trip to hospital.

just seen Petrov wasnt knocked out, good to hear.

JeremySmith · 29 May 2011, 15:34 (Ref:2887560)

Quote:

Originally Posted by McArthur252

I didnt say i didn't enjoy the race today. i loved it. I also want it to stay on the calender, as there is no other place like it with any where near the history of it.
merely pointing out that the track looked old this weekend, and at no point do you want to see drivers injured. mistakes punished, yes, but not through a trip to hospital.

just seen Petrov wasnt knocked out, good to hear.

Motor racing is dangerous..

Pingguest · 29 May 2011, 15:34 (Ref:2887561)

When it comes to safety, not the tracks or calendar should be changed but the cars instead.

McArthur252 · 29 May 2011, 15:35 (Ref:2887562)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Footballers get more serious injuries than what Petrov and Perez got. Maybe they should ban tackling too.

They're trying!

thank you for the welcome. always come on here, thought it was time i got involved!

Down F0rce · 29 May 2011, 15:38 (Ref:2887563)

No. Never.

Hubble · 29 May 2011, 15:45 (Ref:2887570)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Born Racer

Monaco is an excellent place to hold a race. I see it as a better layout than Abu Dhabi which is not a 'true' street circuit.

Abu Dhabi isn't a street circuit at all.....are you confusing it with Singapore?

tux · 29 May 2011, 15:56 (Ref:2887577)

Quote:

Originally Posted by McArthur252

As much as it saddens me, as it should any F1 fan, I couldnt help but feel Monaco has become an obsolete circuit in need of several changes in order to maintain its place in F1 (as it rightfully should).
As a spectical it is un-matched, as a race track i think it lacks quite alot. Obviously after this weekend there should be safety concerns after 2 drives being knocked out and another near-miss. (Have to say though, the marshals did an incredible job shifting Maldonaldo's Williams within 1 lap!)

Although still "the jewel in the F1 crown", with multi-billions being spent at Abu Dabi et al, it's no longer the only show piece event of the year.

Please someone convince me otherwise, but despite the exciting race today, i can't see F1 staying in Monaco for many more years. At least not without several changes.

Opinions ladies and gentlemen?

This is the first year since 2003 that an f1 car has hit the barrier that Perez hit. This year there was an elevated amount of accidents than in previous years but many would have been advoided had the bump after the tunnel been flatter.

**Born Racer** · 29 May 2011, 16:26 (Ref:2887591)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hubble

Abu Dhabi isn't a street circuit at all.....are you confusing it with Singapore?

I was thinking of Abu Dhabi due to the reference McArthur252 made to it in a comparison in the opening post. I would rate it better than Singapore though too, and Valencia (which is also not that much a street circuit).

Sodemo · 29 May 2011, 16:58 (Ref:2887608)

They could always brake earlier before the bump.

**touringlegend** · 29 May 2011, 17:05 (Ref:2887613)

Give me Monaco 100 times over the soul-less track that is Abu Dhabi.

Yes we seen a couple of accidents that hospitalised drivers (I can't remember the last Monaco GP, or any other where that happened in recent times) but the important thing is that when that happened the back up was there to address that.

JeremySmith · 29 May 2011, 17:08 (Ref:2887616)

Quote:

Originally Posted by touringlegend

Give me Monaco 100 times over the soul-less track that is Abu Dhabi.

Yes we seen a couple of accidents that hospitalised drivers (I can't remember the last Monaco GP, or any other where that happened in recent times) but the important thing is that when that happened the back up was there to address that.

I agree the marshals and corner workers are second to none in Monaco..

Marbot · 29 May 2011, 17:13 (Ref:2887622)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingguest

When it comes to safety, not the tracks or calendar should be changed but the cars instead.

Agreed. But it's getting the teams to agree on something that's the difficult bit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

They could always brake earlier before the bump.

Or later.

**Adam43** · 29 May 2011, 17:19 (Ref:2887626)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

Agreed. But it's getting the teams to agree on something that's the difficult bit.

You seem to be suggesting that the teams get in the way of safety developments. There are practically none or minor examples of this. Or at least there are many more examples where they have embrassed and pushed forward safety.

Marbot · 29 May 2011, 18:10 (Ref:2887649)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

You seem to be suggesting that the teams get in the way of safety developments.

No. I'm not saying that the teams are standing in the way of safety developments. Only that if left to their own devices, it probably wouldn't come very high on the list of things to do at a TWG meeting.

I suspect the bits that the teams can't ever agree on is because they never can get a word in edgeways over that annoying Elephant in the room.

HughGJohnson · 29 May 2011, 18:21 (Ref:2887653)

This race is a big reason, maybe the only reason there wasn't a split a couple of years ago. It pays the bills and in F1 that's everything. On the Speed gridwalk Will Buxton asked Mika Hakkinen about the race and I thought he was never going to shut up. Anything that can get Mika Hakkinen to ramble must be quite something indeed. It's not going anywhere, nor should it.

GT6 · 29 May 2011, 18:56 (Ref:2887679)

do we have to wait until a top driver is killed before the monaco GP is allowed to pass into history, after this weekend I think that will be soon

**Adam43** · 29 May 2011, 19:03 (Ref:2887684)

Do you think that might be a little over reaction?

Sodemo · 29 May 2011, 19:09 (Ref:2887686)

Ive always said; there is one safety "set of rules" for F1, and another set for all other motorsport. IRL, ALMS, Formula Ford, F3 - all race on tracks that are far quicker and more dangerous than Monaco.

HughGJohnson · 29 May 2011, 19:25 (Ref:2887698)

If someone were killed changes would be made to the cars, circuit and or the regulations. There's no way they're getting rid of this race. There's too much history (read: money). If it were certain someone was going to die every race that would be different. But there's no way they'll stop it on the small chance it might happen.

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