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Old 30 Oct 2018, 19:09 (Ref:3860008)   #3991
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At least f2 doesn’t race there i guess! The Indy race might be more interesting though, but with much worse tv coverage
Why should the TV coverage be worse?
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Old 30 Oct 2018, 21:34 (Ref:3860032)   #3992
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Why should the TV coverage be worse?
If anything it will be better, the ESPN coverage with the UK feed is terrible. Yelling constantly over simple racing action and 56 reminders each race about tires and 25 times in Q2 how you have to keep these tires to start. NBC will have the race coverage with guys who actually follow the action and can comment as it happens without missing important events. They each have their moments but overall NBC is far better at covering their events.
And add in that F1 is most likely not on ESPN/ABC next year in the US and coverage will be MUCH better of Indy racing. Looks like it's moving to ESPNow or other a la carte system according to more than a few racing industry guy's. It MAY get a reprieve for 2019 but it's supposedly not looking likely, PPV/subscription should do wonders for F1 in the US.
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Old 31 Oct 2018, 03:08 (Ref:3860047)   #3993
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Thanks for the link.

A February date would help cut the very long off season.
Supercars will not race on the Saturday in 2019, a non Championship Indycar race anyone?
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Old 31 Oct 2018, 08:53 (Ref:3860070)   #3994
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Supercars will not race on the Saturday in 2019, a non Championship Indycar race anyone?
Why won't Supercars race on a Saturday?
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Old 31 Oct 2018, 09:10 (Ref:3860073)   #3995
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Old 31 Oct 2018, 11:00 (Ref:3860089)   #3996
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13.7 seconds slower is a very big discrepancy.
It's not a good look to do laptimes comparable to low-powered lightweight GP3 or F3 cars despite running 700hp monsters -- it reeks of inefficiency, but low downforce will do that for you.

It's a tricky one -- downforce (primarily a more aggressive floor) would make the Indycar go fast and would cost little to add to the cars, but then the racing would be poor. Yet, as is, the Indycars don't seem slow at circuits like Road America or Mid-Ohio. Hmmm.

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While the Indycars aren't as lightweight as a (classic) F3 (just 500kg!), the Indycar weight is very similar to a modern F1 car weight, so the weight itself isn't the differentiator.
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It's not a good look to do laptimes comparable to low-powered lightweight GP3 or F3 cars despite running 700hp monsters -- it reeks of inefficiency, but low downforce will do that for you.

It's a tricky one -- downforce (primarily a more aggressive floor) would make the Indycar go fast and would cost little to add to the cars, but then the racing would be poor. Yet, as is, the Indycars don't seem slow at circuits like Road America or Mid-Ohio. Hmmm.

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While the Indycars aren't as lightweight as a (classic) F3 (just 500kg!), the Indycar weight is very similar to a modern F1 car weight, so the weight itself isn't the differentiator.
Currently IndyCars weigh, approximately 1,620 pounds (road/street/short oval configuration) and 1,590 pounds (speedway configuration), without fuel, driver and driver weight equivalent.

I was looking at lap times over the years, on some tracks. For example, Hélio Castroneves broke the lap record at Long Beach in 2017, with a time of 1:06.225, 106.980 mph (172.167 km/h). This year Alexander Rossi took pole with a time of 1:06.5528, 106.454 mph (171.321 km/h).

Dario Franchitti, has held the lap record at Road America since 2000, with a time of 1:39.866, 145.924 mph (234.84 km/h). In 2017, the last year of the manufacturer's aero-kits, Helio Castroneves, took pole with a time of 1:41.3007, 143.85 mph (231.52 km/h). This year, Josef Newgarden took pole with a time of 1:43.2026, 140.02 mph (225.34 lm/h).

At Detroit, Takuma Sato, set the lap record in 2017, with a time of 1:13.6732, 114.831 mph (184.802 km/h). In Race 1 Marco Andretti took pole with a time of 1:14.8514, 113.024 mph (181.894 km/h). It rained in Qualifying for Race 2, so the time and speed is irrelevant.

The UAK is a little slower than the manufacturer aero-kits but overall, those times and speeds look very respectable. I can only think that the lap times at COTA were to do with the nature of the tyre test, rather than the cars actually being much slower.

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It's a tricky one -- downforce (primarily a more aggressive floor) would make the Indycar go fast and would cost little to add to the cars, but then the racing would be poor.
The opposite in fact, which is exactly why they are adding more downforce next year
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Mari Hulman George, Indianapolis Motor Speedway Chairman of the Board Emeritus has died.

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No reason to go crazy with IndyCar being 13s slower than F1, that is normal! Super Formula is around 9s slower at Suzuka and hybrid LMP1 is around 10 slower at Silverstone.
1:47 is what LMP1 does in race trim, by the way. It is nonsense to say this is comparable to F3 lap times. I hope I just misinterpreted the discussion.
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1:47 is what LMP1 does in race trim, by the way. It is nonsense to say this is comparable to F3 lap times. I hope I just misinterpreted the discussion.
And the fastest non-hybrid LMP1 did 1:53 in 2016 edition of the Austin WEC (DPi Cadillacs can do around 1:55 I think). So 1:47 is not that slow as it may look like at first.
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Interesting article released 2 days ago....Gateway will be making further improvements to their facility.

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