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Old 22 Nov 2020, 11:37 (Ref:4018250)   #2176
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I'm calling BS on a lot of that "Muso"'s post, too.



Just some points:



- "you need full travel insurance" - anyone with half a brain would have this anyway - an EHIC card does give you basic protection but when I broke my leg in Tenerife, it was my travel insurance that got me home.....


- Each state has their own taxation policy! - and then goes on to say UK already had this, who knew? Nothi ng like contradicting your own argument.


- Mobile phone roaming -as already said - all major UK networks have said no change, and as for having to have a local address to get a local Sim card - I haven't tried it in France but I can't remember providing one to get one in Tenerife, and if I did provide an address it certainly wasn't checked....


- Blue passports incompatible? Really? They continue to be produced to the International Civil Aviation Organisation standards for machine readable passports (and are of course produced in the EU, in Poland, so this "fun fact" bites the dust.



- You need a carnet for every instrument at £350 or so each.....Livemusicbusiness.com says "The price of the carnet depends on the value of the equipment that is being imported and exported and the destination countries. A carnet for a 4-piece UK -based rock band touring Europe and Scandinavia, including Switzerland and Norway, would be about £350.00. This assumes the total value of their musical equipment is £20,000."
I remember using Carnets when we rallied abroad in the 80s and it was no big issue.....


Why do people publish this nonsense?
A decent 4 piece band carries more than £20k in gear 2 bass guitars and my amps is£5-7 k depending on which guitars I use/take. We were due to be playing a festival this June in France, not a lucrative gig but a fun paid weekend away . . . . . Spending an extra £3-500 for the pleasure puts us in the red.. the inability to travel and work unrestricted is utterly preposterous and a half century regression.
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Old 22 Nov 2020, 11:48 (Ref:4018251)   #2177
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But we aren't restricted. All we need is a visa just like US citizens or any other non EU citizens. We have never been allowed to work without registration, which comes when you are employed by an EU state entity. Why don't people understand this? Freedom of movement is limited to 90days in any one year unless you start paying tax, which means working. Gordon has already alluded to this in his posts about living in Spain.

Flitting over the channel for a gig is not considered as local employment since you are still paying UK tax and you wouldn't be an employee. You may also be aware that Merkle is asking the EU to close borders within the Schengen regions due to the threat of terrorism, not really an old fashioned idea then.

I'll stand to be corrected on that last point about Merkle since at the moment I can't find the article.

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In the current circumstances, we need to do all we can to help local businesses. With this in mind I suggest we all schedule our visits to the pub so we can keep the 2m social distancing and whilst there get completely slamied for two hours before handing over to the next shift.

It probably won't stop the virus but nobody would care.
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Old 22 Nov 2020, 12:57 (Ref:4018254)   #2178
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But we aren't restricted. All we need is a visa just like US citizens or any other non EU citizens. We have never been allowed to work without registration, which comes when you are employed by an EU state entity. Why don't people understand this? Freedom of movement is limited to 90days in any one year unless you start paying tax, which means working. Gordon has already alluded to this in his posts about living in Spain.

Flitting over the channel for a gig is not considered as local employment since you are still paying UK tax and you wouldn't be an employee. You may also be aware that Merkle is asking the EU to close borders within the Schengen regions due to the threat of terrorism, not really an old fashioned idea then.

I'll stand to be corrected on that last point about Merkle since at the moment I can't find the article.
I too have read the story about Merkel wanting the borders closed but can't remember where.

There is of course a certain irony that she of all people should now be worrying about terrorism.........
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Old 22 Nov 2020, 15:28 (Ref:4018280)   #2179
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John I think she puts terrorism, migrants, climate and virus all in the same bag. My understanding is she's looking for a better control of the borders but not to close them.
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Old 22 Nov 2020, 16:23 (Ref:4018295)   #2180
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John I think she puts terrorism, migrants, climate and virus all in the same bag. My understanding is she's looking for a better control of the borders but not to close them.
You probably took me a bit too literally, Gerard, but I suppose really instead of closed I should have said controlled.
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Old 22 Nov 2020, 16:38 (Ref:4018297)   #2181
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Just like the UK requested a few years ago.
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Old 22 Nov 2020, 17:17 (Ref:4018306)   #2182
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No problem, John. In fact we have to witness people who have the power but dont really know how to manage the whole mess. France is a "good" example, I fear…
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Old 23 Nov 2020, 08:28 (Ref:4018365)   #2183
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The reason most UK musicians don't go to the US is because its such a ball ache and financially prohibitive for most. . .we're minnows on ther scale of ROCK, but still sell some records there. we've been offered gigs but its just not financially viable, music has nearly always been a paying hobby, or at worst a self funding one. I have heard of pay to play, but have no intention of going there!
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Old 23 Nov 2020, 10:11 (Ref:4018375)   #2184
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There is likely to be a need for more Carnet to be issued in the New Year. I wonder if this will result in more people offering the service and hence a drop in price? Currently the government website only recommends CARSUK, who are top dollar for shipping and I expect are top dollar for Carnet too. There is a business opportunity here for someone

Luckily my 50s single seater has a V5C. Going to Monza we crossed the Swiss border and thought we better stop. The customs official took a look and said he was going to have to get the main man. Turns out this was because he was a petrol head, although he was visibly disappointed it wasnt a Ferrari! I wonder if we should have had a Carnet for the tools and spares?
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Old 23 Nov 2020, 13:30 (Ref:4018398)   #2185
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Certainly any decent forwarder /clearance agent can supply necessary paperwork.
CARS have reduced dramatically in last six months and there are many alternatives.
Sure someone can start a clearance agent for sporting cars.
If you have a road registered cars it’s no problem
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Old 23 Nov 2020, 15:38 (Ref:4018412)   #2186
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Back in the mid 70's, in well practised carnet years, travelling to the Monaco GP we landed in France and found the March truck being thoroughly searched. The driver said he had been there for 2 days and the Customs people had opened and emptied every storage cupboard in the vehicle.


On the way back, after a stop off for testing at Dijon, I discovered the Williams team truck having a little difficulty returning to Blighty. Something to do with Carnets for engines that had not taken out for the event but the carnets had been taken and processed. So French Customs were asking to see the engines.


Absent the appearance of the engines the Douane assumed they had been sold and demanded duties be paid. Or so the story went.


All part of the game at the time and of course people were somewhat prepared for it.
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Back in the mid 70's, in well practised carnet years, travelling to the Monaco GP we landed in France and found the March truck being thoroughly searched. The driver said he had been there for 2 days and the Customs people had opened and emptied every storage cupboard in the vehicle.


On the way back, after a stop off for testing at Dijon, I discovered the Williams team truck having a little difficulty returning to Blighty. Something to do with Carnets for engines that had not taken out for the event but the carnets had been taken and processed. So French Customs were asking to see the engines.


Absent the appearance of the engines the Douane assumed they had been sold and demanded duties be paid. Or so the story went.


All part of the game at the time and of course people were somewhat prepared for it.
In the days of the DFV when engines were constantly being rotated for rebuild etc it was often easier to switch the number on the engine to match the carnets you happened to have rather than vice versa.

On one occasion I travelled to an F2 race in Vallelunga with a friends' F2 team; we only had a small Mercedes truck & with two race cars + all the equipment it was literally stuffed full. At Mont Blanc a diligent Italian customs man wanted to check everything against the carnets - he rolled up the side shutter, at which point everything virtually fell out on him, so he just threw his arms in the air, handed the papers back & sent us on our way!
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Didn't you have to buy gazoline tickets before crossing the italian border? I remember the Porsche works team having unmarked engine cases. Happy days!
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Didn't you have to buy gazoline tickets before crossing the italian border? I remember the Porsche works team having unmarked engine cases. Happy days!
Not that I recall. It was 1983, so relatively recent.
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Didn't you have to buy gazoline tickets before crossing the italian border? I remember the Porsche works team having unmarked engine cases. Happy days!
I don´t remember that you had to buy, but you were offered the opportunity which then allowed you to buy petrol at a lower price within Italy.
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