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16 Sep 2003, 04:55 (Ref:720281)
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Sandown Stewards Penalties
Stewards penalties imposed at the V8 Supercar Championship Series Round
Nine, Betta Electrical Sandown 500, 12-14 September 2003 FRIDAY 12 SEPTEMBER Car #31, Steve Ellery Racing, was found to be in breach of Rules, in that the Fire Attendant was not present for entire duration of refuelling pit stop, at Round 8, Oran Park Raceway. A penalty of $7,000 was imposed. Car #3, Tim Leahey, was found to be in breach of Rules when he exceeded the pit lane speed limit in V8 Practice 1. A penalty of $500 was imposed. Car #34, Nathan Pretty, was found to be in breach of Rules when he exceeded the pit lane speed limit in V8 Practice 1. A penalty of $300 was imposed. In inquiry was commenced into an alleged breach of Testing Rules by Ozemail Racing. The inquiry has been adjourned until 9 October 2003. SATURDAY 13 SEPTEMBER Car #34, Nathan Pretty, was found to be in breach of Rules, passing under the Red Flag. A penalty of $1,000 was imposed. Car #29, Sirromet - Life Style Wine, was found to be in breach of Rules, in that car #29 did not meet the minimum front axle weight during the Top Ten Shoot Out. Car #29 was relegated to grid position 10 for the Race. SUNDAY 14 SEPTEMBER The following drivers received a drive through penalty during the Race: * Car #34 (Tander/Pretty), driving infringement. * Car #19 (Besnard/O. Kelly), driving infringement. * Car #16 (Ritter/Marshall), overusing the kerb at Turn 6. * Car #8 (Dumbrell/Mezera), breach of the pit lane rules. * Car #16 (Ritter/Marshall), exceeding the pit lane speed limit. * Car #45 (Minassian/Wakefield), driving infringement. * Car #33 (Whincup/Simonsen), breach of the pit lane rules (2nd infringement). * Car #888 (A. Jones/Cleland), driving infringement. * Car #29 (Morris/Faulkner), driving infringement. * Car #33 (Whincup/Simonsen), breach of the pit lane rules. * Car #29 (Morris/Faulkner), driving infringement (2nd infringement) Car #1, Mark Skaife, was found to be in breach of Rules, in that the rain light was not illuminated whilst using wet weather tyres in the closing laps of the Race. The team admitted the breach and a fine of $7,500 was imposed on Holden Racing Team. Holden Racing Team was found to be in breach of Rules in regard to pit lane safety, in that the Fire Attendant was not present for the entire duration of refuelling pit stops during the race. A penalty of a fine of $7,000 was imposed. Car #29, Sirromet - Life Style Wine, was found to be in breach of Rules in regard to pit lane safety, when the Fire Attendant was not in attendance during the warm up session. A penalty of $10,000 was imposed. (From CAMS - as received) |
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16 Sep 2003, 04:57 (Ref:720283)
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And, obviously from the above - the lack of a fire attendant during the race is only 75% as 'naught' during 2 or 3 stops in a 161 lap race than during a 20 minute warm up session.
Something says to me that the rules and the stewards have their head well and truly on back to front.... |
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16 Sep 2003, 05:04 (Ref:720287)
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Sounds like a consistent application of the penalties (NOT!)
Is it just worded weirdly or does it suggest that the Sirromet boys had noone there for the whole warmup session, and got fined $10k, while SHRT had noone there DURING the refuelling stops and got fined $7k?? |
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16 Sep 2003, 05:15 (Ref:720293)
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Like I said though - warm up is a 20 minute session with no refuelling (!!!) but the race is 161 laps long with fuel around for virtually the entire race.
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16 Sep 2003, 06:25 (Ref:720304)
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From my take it seems Sirromet didn't have a Fire Attendant at all during the warm up whereas the HRT & SER Fire Attendants got there late or buggered off early.
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16 Sep 2003, 06:32 (Ref:720308)
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OK - I'll say it again - during warm up, there shouldn't be any refuelling. The lack of a fuel attendent shouldn't be that much of a concern.
During the race, fuel IS expected to be around - therefore the lack of any fuel attendents is critical. Having said that - if the rules say 'a fuel attendent should be there' why the hell a $2,500 difference in fines between a non-refulling 20 minute session compared to a 2-3 refule stop 161 lap race? IMHO there should be absolutely no difference at all. |
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16 Sep 2003, 07:48 (Ref:720360)
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$7,000 to buy a win-not bad
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16 Sep 2003, 07:58 (Ref:720368)
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Well if they slug the team over a period of time it will off set the cost of the legal team to defend them selves against said team.
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16 Sep 2003, 08:15 (Ref:720385)
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Now if they could just fix the smoking in the paddock area...
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16 Sep 2003, 08:18 (Ref:720392)
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Ease up,if youre enjoying an ale in the big black truck you surely can have a gasper
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Succes is a result of judgment,that is inturn a result of experience that has come from instances of bad judgment. "Montoya made some last minute changes to his suspension but it seemed to effect it's handling"-Classic
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16 Sep 2003, 08:22 (Ref:720396)
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If I can smell petrol and see a lit cigarette in the vicinity, we have a problem waiting to manifest itself into something ugly....
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16 Sep 2003, 08:45 (Ref:720421)
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Refuelling is part of the Sunday morning warm up - there have been a number of these penalties applied recently and the sliding scale seems fit the "crimes" so far.
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16 Sep 2003, 08:47 (Ref:720422)
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Refuelling is part of all sessions, whether they use the fuel tower and dry break, or the 205L drums and hand pump, the car still needs to acquire a quantity of motion lotion from somewhere fairly regularly.
As was written here recently, a fire does not just show up on race day to look spectacular for the teev.... |
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16 Sep 2003, 22:56 (Ref:721286)
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It looks loke the CAMS Stewards hand out higher fines to the level 2 teams than they do to the level 1 teams Ellery was fined $7500 for the same breach that Larkham was fined $5000 Sirromet was Fined $10,000 for a similar breach to the one that HRT copped $7000.Inconsitent penalties cause a lack of confidence in the integrity of the Stewards whot are supposed to be fair and equal
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16 Sep 2003, 23:21 (Ref:721297)
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Since when have the V8 stewards been consistent, equal or fair?
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16 Sep 2003, 23:42 (Ref:721306)
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16 Sep 2003, 23:46 (Ref:721309)
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I always thought in the application of penalties there should be no shdes of grey... guilty or not guilty... go to the section in the regs and dole out the fine
I might be wrong bu I somehow recall that the 2nd offence is cheaper than the first... the logic of that escapes me! |
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17 Sep 2003, 00:42 (Ref:721341)
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The first fine involves setting up a credit card account for them. Subsequent fines don't require this 'setup fee'
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18 Sep 2003, 15:19 (Ref:723140)
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A $7,000 fine for not having the rain light on suggests it was looked at as a breach of safety, whereas the tactic was actually employed for a win/place/finish, therefore a time penalty should have been imposed. I expect the regs don't take that into consideration though.
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18 Sep 2003, 22:08 (Ref:723557)
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Reminds me of Eastern Creek 2002 when the wife of one of our V8 Stars, was standing next to gas cylinders in the paddock compound sucking on a ciggy - I pointed it out to the team manager who just laughed, said "thatd be right" then went and asked her to move. I didnt hear any explosions coming from that pit during the weekend and I hope she doesnt still do that these days
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20 Sep 2003, 12:43 (Ref:724982)
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Does anyone know why the Team Dynamik car of Minassian and Wakefield car got the penalty? I'm suprised that they were so far down at the end of the race (28th?) Does anyone know why?
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20 Sep 2003, 12:53 (Ref:724987)
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Don't know why but a 7 minute pit stop on lap 74 obviously didn;t help...
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