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Old 2 Mar 2011, 06:36 (Ref:2838882)   #451
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Sorry but not the Bond car, chassis number on that was observed in 1968 with a different number. [That car was one of two used by Harry Stiller in 1967 - the other being chassis 12]
Who is your dad, when did he buy the car, and who from?
This may help us sort history

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Chris what was the chassis number of the other Harry Stiller car? I have BT21-12 and have a few good pics of both cars that I am happy to share with the other car owner if they want them.

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Old 2 Mar 2011, 07:05 (Ref:2838890)   #452
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BT21A? id help please (3,5,or 6? or none of the above). Details provided are:
Chassis AM221 (appears correct for 21a) - no original chassis plate
Originally to USA (unknown) as twin cam/FB
Imported (rolling chassis) to UK by Bob Howlings
1980? converted to F3 driven by Mike Vickery.
Back to twin cam for Scott Coleman.
Sold (rolling chassis) to France to F3 for Banakela.
Back to the UK by Len Selby who sold it to Mallet
2006 to Keith Norman restored as a twin cam.

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Old 26 Apr 2011, 20:39 (Ref:2870230)   #453
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Does anyone out there know the current location of BT21-29; Mike Walker was asking at Cdawell Park last weekend. He originally bought the car from Frank Williams in early 1967.
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Old 27 Apr 2011, 17:37 (Ref:2870748)   #454
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Does anyone out there know the current location of BT21-29; Mike Walker was asking at Cdawell Park last weekend. He originally bought the car from Frank Williams in early 1967.
At the moment I lose track of this one in hillclimbs in 1970...

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Old 21 May 2011, 03:38 (Ref:2883359)   #455
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BT21C - AM288 a little more info

After some years trying to find Noel McGlothlin I found a thread where he had shared cars with Robert Rentzell of Chatanooga in the 1960s. (Noel took delivery of BT21C-14 which is a strong possiblity of being my car)

A white pages search found Robert and I rang & spoke with him for quite a while. Yes Noel did own a BT21C and Robert drove it a couple of times when they were testing together.

He remembers it was scarlet in colour, not red but deeper, Robert said a definite scarlet. He wasn't sure what happened to it after Noel finished with it, and is going to ask the family for me. Noel passed away in 1980.

If I can find out what happened to it after Noel, then maybe I can link it to where I am at now going back ...

Here is a photo of AM288 at Mallala, South Australia at Easter in the last race where it managed a 1st place.

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Old 17 Oct 2011, 12:46 (Ref:2972631)   #456
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Bob Slusher here from Oregon. With some time on my hands I took it upon myself to research and then ask around about BT21C in competition in the Pacific Northwest at that time. Odd what one can find if enough memory banks are jogged.

BT21C cars only:
Nick Reynolds, lead singer with the Kingston Trio raced the west coast out of Port Orford, Oreon.
Bill Monson, a dentist out of Kent, Washington ran in Seattle area.
Dewey Harless. I will have lunch with him tomorrow.

Pierre Phillips recalls during 1970-71 that a fellow who lived in Tocoma, Washington stuffed his Chevron so badly that it could not be rebuilt. He bought a older Brabham and crafted the Chevron to the Brabham to create a sports racer. Pierre could not recall his name, but it may be a lead.

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What did you learn from Dewey Harless at that lunch. I've learnt recently that Monson bought Nick Reynolds' car and that it then went to Gary Gove. It could have gone to Harless next.
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Old 20 Nov 2011, 06:02 (Ref:2989050)   #457
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I've just published an article about another Washington state BT21, which I photographed at Kent this June. Here's the link:
Al Murray's Brabham BT21 (chassis #5, Arch Motors #177)

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Old 23 Nov 2011, 03:49 (Ref:2990269)   #458
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[QUOTE=BritishV8;2989050]I've just published an article about another Washington state BT21, which I photographed at Kent this June...]

I now understand that the original chassis plate for this car is missing and the Brabham chassis number I provided (above) is unverified. I'd edit my earlier post if I knew how...
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Old 23 Nov 2011, 09:01 (Ref:2990338)   #459
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The plate is a fairly obvious reproduction as it has an absolute howler of a mistake on it but a lot of cars lost their chassis plates on the way into the US so that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the car.

In the absence of a history before 1970-ish, the key is whether that AM number is genuine. It's in the right range to be an early BT21 but if that is a modern addition too, then the car could be anything. Do you have a photograph of the AM stamping?
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Old 23 Nov 2011, 16:04 (Ref:2990493)   #460
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No... it's obviously a very nice car and I should have taken a lot more photos of it, but I published everything I have.
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Old 23 Nov 2011, 18:37 (Ref:2990559)   #461
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Bt21

Allen,

I will take a photo of the AM number on my car for you and post it later. Yes, the engraver didn't get the plate just right. I am certainly not trying to pass this car off as -5. In my research of all of the posts here at 10tenths there was never any mention of -5, so I thought I would borrow the number for a while. The back of the numer plate is engraved as not original to the car. This chassis AM number is two numbers different from Tim Osborne's 21 here in Seattle. His car has a plastic plate too. I saw Wayne Mitchell's tag for his -16 car and it is metal. I am not trying to decieve anyone here. I had requested that Curtis remove the tag photo and the reference to -5 Sunday. It would be nice to complete the history of this car, but like a lot of searches, I hit a dead end. This is a great car and I have enjoyed racing it for the last three seasons. Unfortunetly, I am just to big of a guy to get really comfortable in it. As you can see, I had to cut down the windshield after I broke one side of it off getting out of the car. So, this car will go on the market as soon as I get it race prepped for next season. AL Murray
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Old 23 Nov 2011, 21:33 (Ref:2990630)   #462
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Thanks for clarifying that Al. Did you speak to Marc Bahner about the car? Was he able to remember anything about how he came by it?

A picture of the AM number would be really helpful. You can email it to allen@oldracingcars.com if you don't want to show it here.
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Old 2 Jul 2012, 22:13 (Ref:3101091)   #463
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I have a BT-21 and could use some help clarifying and documenting the history. The rear cross member is stamped AM-238. It does not have a dash plaque, but the log book dating back to 1972 identifies at as BT 21-30. It was identified as Formula C with a 997 cc Holbay. The log book identifies Mike Rand transferring it to Tom Speed in May 1972, then to Ira de Vaugn in June 1972, and then to General Marsh in Aug 1986. I bought it from General Marsh (a Cleveland are veternarian) around 1987. At that time it had a 1600CC OHV Ford. It has since been restored with a Lotus twin cam and currently resides in Northern California.

A few years after I purchased it, Mike Fitzgerald called and provided the following ownership train:

1967 - Frank Williams, driven by Piers Courage
1968 - P&M Race Prep, driven by John Epton and Keith Jupp
1968- Fred Opert
1968- Chuck Schroderele
1970 - Mike Rand
1970 - Carl Bergman
Pat Dundas
1978 - Mike Rand
1980- Tom Speed & IG Spencer

However, parts of this are inconsistent with the log book. Can anyone help clarify and/or document the trail?

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I have a BT-21 and could use some help clarifying and documenting the history. The rear cross member is stamped AM-238. It does not have a dash plaque, but the log book dating back to 1972 identifies at as BT 21-30. It was identified as Formula C with a 997 cc Holbay. The log book identifies Mike Rand transferring it to Tom Speed in May 1972, then to Ira de Vaugn in June 1972, and then to General Marsh in Aug 1986. I bought it from General Marsh (a Cleveland are veternarian) around 1987. At that time it had a 1600CC OHV Ford. It has since been restored with a Lotus twin cam and currently resides in Northern California.

A few years after I purchased it, Mike Fitzgerald called and provided the following ownership train:

1967 - Frank Williams, driven by Piers Courage
1968 - P&M Race Prep, driven by John Epton and Keith Jupp
1968- Fred Opert
1968- Chuck Schroderele
1970 - Mike Rand
1970 - Carl Bergman
Pat Dundas
1978 - Mike Rand
1980- Tom Speed & IG Spencer

However, parts of this are inconsistent with the log book. Can anyone help clarify and/or document the trail?

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Karl Bergmann was racing a Brabham BT21 in FC as late as 1975.

This can't be the car that goes from Schroedel to Rand in 1970. That car was owned by John Lindsay in 2005 and maybe still is. It has documented history from Schroedel in 1969 onwards. It doesn't have a plate either. It's alleged to be one of Peter Westbury's F3 cars, but if it is it must be his 1968 BT21B as the 1967 cars are known in UK up to 1972.
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Brabham BT21 Chassis Number 25 AM187

Hi, I would appreciate any information on this car. Last owned by the late Trevor Messett.

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