[BTCC] Round Five, Croft 25-26 Jun, Races 13,14&15

[Millvi]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Now confirmed, with Butel just missing Croft for 'personal reasons'.

I’ll find it highly amusing if he out performs Chilton.

Tom Chilton running out of excuses for me, he’s been very poor these last few years - BTC Racing, Cicely and now Excelr8 and decent cars all of them at his disposal.

[pimmy]

I think most people find it highly amusing when Chilton is soundly beaten. I can't see him wasting Daddy's money playing racing driver for much longer, given his recent performances.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Millvi

I’ll find it highly amusing if he out performs Chilton.

Tom Chilton running out of excuses for me, he’s been very poor these last few years - BTC Racing, Cicely and now Excelr8 and decent cars all of them at his disposal.

I'd love him to score a few points, not sure how easy it'll with one weekend in the car though. Can't do any worse than Butel

Yeah, it seems every year we're saying the same about Chilton. Think he has a two or multi year deal with Excerl8, which points to him sticking around a while longer - of course, we know contracts don't always come to pass!

[coppice]

Originally Posted by pimmy

I think most people find it highly amusing when Chilton is soundly beaten. I can't see him wasting Daddy's money playing racing driver for much longer, given his recent performances.

Not me . Why should I get a kick out of anybody's misfortune or is schadenfreude your thing ? What do you expect the lad to do - retire and get dad to give you the money instead ?

Motor racing is expensive and it always leaves a bitter taste that drivers like Chilton get so much flak. Fans of successful drivers from well off families - Hailwood , Moss , Norris , Seaman - don't seem too troubled about the fact that none of them would have got near a racing car or bike without family help. Crikey , it's only a BTCC drive ,why on earth shouldn't Mr Chilton spend his money how he likes ?

[Daverb]

Just read through this from page 1.

Some pretty poor speculation about Lloyd. Why bother? All you have to do is watch his YouTube channel.

Looks like there is some “knowledgeable” fans on here never mind Croft.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by touring fan01

they wouldnt make an offical announcement until the teams decide when they want to announce something

Probably to coincide with a sponsor promotional activity or simply at a convenient time for maximum publicity. When the time is ripe Minister.

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Daverb

Just read through this from page 1.

Some pretty poor speculation about Lloyd. Why bother? All you have to do is watch his YouTube channel.

Looks like there is some “knowledgeable” fans on here never mind Croft.

Are you referring to the video he posted where he discussed the repair bill? Check the date on the speculation you are referring to and the date the video was posted. "All you have to do is watch his YouTube channel" for a video that didn't exist yet

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by coppice

Not me . Why should I get a kick out of anybody's misfortune or is schadenfreude your thing ? What do you expect the lad to do - retire and get dad to give you the money instead ?

Motor racing is expensive and it always leaves a bitter taste that drivers like Chilton get so much flak. Fans of successful drivers from well off families - Hailwood , Moss , Norris , Seaman - don't seem too troubled about the fact that none of them would have got near a racing car or bike without family help. Crikey , it's only a BTCC drive ,why on earth shouldn't Mr Chilton spend his money how he likes ?

Absolutely. Sour grapes is usually behind the moans of a driver having access to a few quid even if he's not the best. Money talks. And Tom's a genuinely nice lad if you ever get a chance to meet him.

[Moneyseeker]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Great that both Colin and Dan will be back out. Colin was looking more likely, there were a lot of question marks over Dan due to his minor injuries, so it's a nice surprise he's all clear for the weekend

I think his budget has taken more of a beating than he has....

[S griffin]

Best of luck to Boardley and Gornall this weekend. Boardley definitely improved in the Infiniti, so should do alright. Gornall deserves another chance after a decent debut season in 2020. Even if it is only for one weekend

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by coppice

Not me . Why should I get a kick out of anybody's misfortune or is schadenfreude your thing ? What do you expect the lad to do - retire and get dad to give you the money instead ?

Motor racing is expensive and it always leaves a bitter taste that drivers like Chilton get so much flak. Fans of successful drivers from well off families - Hailwood , Moss , Norris , Seaman - don't seem too troubled about the fact that none of them would have got near a racing car or bike without family help. Crikey , it's only a BTCC drive ,why on earth shouldn't Mr Chilton spend his money how he likes ?

I agree 100%. It's rather a low point for anyone to be happy about someone else's 'misfortune' (or whatever we call it) but I've forgotten how envious people can be.
Anyway, Chilton's had a terrible time recently but still it has to remembered he was not at all a bad driver. Even at BTC he could at least be on a podium a few times and in earlier years was winning races not only in the BTCC but also WTCC. If he was just a rich kid and amateur he wouldn't have accomplished any of that.

[antnee]

Originally Posted by Matt K

I agree 100%. It's rather a low point for anyone to be happy about someone else's 'misfortune' (or whatever we call it) but I've forgotten how envious people can be.
Anyway, Chilton's had a terrible time recently but still it has to remembered he was not at all a bad driver. Even at BTC he could at least be on a podium a few times and in earlier years was winning races not only in the BTCC but also WTCC. If he was just a rich kid and amateur he wouldn't have accomplished any of that.

Absolutely - Tom has had some great results over the years. I really hoped his 3rd place finish in 2018 meant he would be fighting at the pointy end again, but he has slipped further and further back instead. It is a real shame as he is a proper professional and is able to get good media coverage for the series.

[antnee]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Short answer - £££

Long answer. Ciceley have purchased their cars, so they are no longer connected to the WSR entry.
The MB car is to a certain extent a separate entry. The reduced BMW branding means that there would need to be agreement from MB to run the car under the team BMW banner. MB would potentially (and justifiably) cut their support if WSR did that.
Which means they are (for all intents and purposes) budgeted as a 2-car entry.

So if you are budgeting to run 2 cars, building a spare makes little sense.

A few days ago you raised a concern that a reduction in backing from BMW would see Turkington without a drive. But you also don't understand why they haven't allocated budget for a spare car? Maybe they would have one if they budgeted less for their lead driver?

What was the 3rd car Cicely teased last year? Did that turn out to be the TOCA RWD Hybrid test mule?

To be fair, I am surprised that WSR doesn't have even a basic shell prepped and sat in the corner of a workshop given their BMW backing and being a supplier to Cicely.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by redshoes

No team has a dedicated spare chassis. There may be a few teams who have older/obsolete chassis laying around, but that's not really the same thing.

How often in recent years has anyone actually been in a position to need a spare car?

I guess Motorbase do with an extra one running at Goodwood this weekend?

[touringlegend]

There is a 3 series shell at WSR, not sure if it’ll have progressed any since this article

http://www.speedhunters.com/2022/05/...surrey-racing/