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Old Today, 15:45 (Ref:4045985)   #3046
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Even though some models can go on for several series, there comes a time they should be replaced and quite right too, otherwise we would end up with a historic series
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Even though some models can go on for several series, there comes a time they should be replaced and quite right too, otherwise we would end up with a historic series
Yes - agree with the sentiment behind this.

Although for that to happen, there has to be an incentive for the teams to make the change. Fortunately for us, Dave Bartrum and Bob Moffat have both explained exactly the reason (having no manufacturer incentive to switch models):

Bartrum: "Despite our 10 years running the Fords we don’t have an official relationship with the manufacturer itself so, from the outside, there is no real reason why we would go with Ford again. Ford has, however, had the new car out for over a year now so we started to evaluate the chassis. The new Focus is far from just a minor upgrade. Underneath the skin, it seems to be an ideal fit for the BTCC. It has an extremely different chassis with some very advanced approaches to the design. The new car has obviously got a few years on its predecessor and benefits from a few more years of development and understanding. The base car is a decent step on and hopefully, this will show in the new car."

Moffat: “We realised that we had the makings of a good car with the Infiniti, but it wasn’t going to be that [older] car. Antonio Carrozza put in a lot of work; he designed a new version and worked on it with chassis-builder Willie Poole and the TOCA technical team. We were aware that the Q50 wouldn’t be sold after the start of 2020, but we got the homologation done, so it’s fine. To be honest, five years is long enough for any car. After that, it’s going to be tired and it will need a change.”

Which also tells us that the last season we can see an Infiniti Q50 on the grid is 2024.
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Yes - agree with the sentiment behind this.

Although for that to happen, there has to be an incentive for the teams to make the change. Fortunately for us, Dave Bartrum and Bob Moffat have both explained exactly the reason (having no manufacturer incentive to switch models):

Bartrum: "Despite our 10 years running the Fords we donít have an official relationship with the manufacturer itself so, from the outside, there is no real reason why we would go with Ford again. Ford has, however, had the new car out for over a year now so we started to evaluate the chassis. The new Focus is far from just a minor upgrade. Underneath the skin, it seems to be an ideal fit for the BTCC. It has an extremely different chassis with some very advanced approaches to the design. The new car has obviously got a few years on its predecessor and benefits from a few more years of development and understanding. The base car is a decent step on and hopefully, this will show in the new car."
Really? Do you expect him to be honest and say the old shells are knackered but if we get some new ones in I can blag bigger budgets because of the claimed improvements.

If they were such a move forward, why werenít they any quicker than the old cars.

And nobody thinks the FK8 is quicker than the FK2. Seriously!
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If they were such a move forward, why werenít they any quicker than the old cars.
And nobody thinks the FK8 is quicker than the FK2. Seriously!
BTCC Lap Records:
Thruxton - Q 2020 FK8, R 2020 Corolla
Snetterton - Q 2019 Corolla, R 2019 FK8
Silverstone - Q 2020 FK8, R 2019 330i
Knockhill - Q 2019 FK2

So the FK8 holds 3 lap records for current circuits on the calendar, the FK2 holds one - but the FK8 is not a quicker car?

Of the nine circuits on the calendar, looking at Q and R lap records, only the following have been set prior to 2019:
Brands Indy (R lap record S2000 Civic)
Brands GP
Oulton (Q only)

The evidence suggests that the newer models are quicker.
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I think its fair to say that when the FK8 came out in 2018 it perhaps wasnt the world beater the FK2 was, but over the last 3 years it has certainly improved a lot.
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Exactly, sometimes it takes time for a car to get up to speed. Remember the hatchback BMW that first appeared in 2013? That took time to get up to speed, yet it won the championship the next year
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