[BTCC] Thruxton 2: The Revenge

[porsche962fan]

seems Cammish starts to be really frustrated about not winning

[Akrapovic]

This Ginetta lead battle is another level of crazy.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

This Ginetta lead battle is another level of crazy.

Almost ended very badly!

[Akrapovic]

One of the best races I've ever seen, lol. That was amazing

[Johno.UK]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

how come all other 29 drivers didn't do this mistake....

Plato wasn't the only one.



I felt sorry for Plato when it happened at the first round but there's no excuse now. It's a daft rule in my book as in every other series (AFAIK) it's the wheels that matter but it's the same rule for everyone in the BTCC and they've had plenty of time to get used to it now.

[Evantra]

Sounds like Ingram dropped down after losing a side window! Any ideas what happened to Chilton?

[GT6]

Yes a silly mistake from Plato, but he did well to get quite a few places back, shame he was not at the front as it could have been a very exciting race at the sharpe end.

[swooshiain]

I'm certainly no fan of Plato, but I do agree with him that the penalty for a grid box infringement is too severe. I would say a five or ten second penalty applied after the race would be fairer.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by swooshiain

I'm certainly no fan of Plato, but I do agree with him that the penalty for a grid box infringement is too severe. I would say a five or ten second penalty applied after the race would be fairer.

I also agree it's very harsh, but post-race penalties are a bad way to go. It means the race results are different to the race we watched, and crucially, it means a car which isn't 'in' the race (as it's going to be penalised) will have an effect on the cars that are in the race. So you could get a 10 second penalty, punt the leader off, and then still beat them because of that.

BTCC has a problem with penalties as the races are too short. A drive through works for a Blancpain race because there is time to recover. It doesn't work in BTCC as you go from the lead, to last, and that's your weekend ruined.

It is very harsh. I'm not sure what the answer is. I don't think changing the post-race results is a good option though.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by swooshiain

I'm certainly no fan of Plato, but I do agree with him that the penalty for a grid box infringement is too severe. I would say a five or ten second penalty applied after the race would be fairer.

I'm no fan of Plato (understatement!) and for 95% of his interview I was thinking "Fair play JP, very humble admitting that as the driver, it's your fault" but then he obviously realised what was happening and decided to blame the rules!
To be honest, it was a complete rookies mistake, to not position his car on the grid as he would for the start of the race was a stupid thing to do by someone who is supposed to be clever!

[Johno.UK]

I didn't see it as blaming the rules. To me the problem is that, for the same offense, the consequences are massively different if you do it in race 1 or race 3. No idea how to sort that out with the way BTCC races work but it's always been an issue for me.

He did position the car in the same place but moving around in the seat to look around the people on the grid meant that the piece of tape was out of position. Much easier for those on the right hand side of the grid to line up as they're right next to the wall on the left it's crucial to get the angle right.

Seems daft to me that something so important is sorted with bits of tape when they all have radios. I know pit crew aren't allowed on the wall for the start but surely allowing one person per team there until the grid is formed would make more sense.

[Robin Marriott]

Plato punted Jackson and Smiley off this time, everyone else seems to be able to drive cleanly but him today.

Edit - and Sutton!

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Johno.UK

I didn't see it as blaming the rules. To me the problem is that, for the same offense, the consequences are massively different if you do it in race 1 or race 3. No idea how to sort that out with the way BTCC races work but it's always been an issue for me.

He did position the car in the same place but moving around in the seat to look around the people on the grid meant that the piece of tape was out of position. Much easier for those on the right hand side of the grid to line up as they're right next to the wall on the left it's crucial to get the angle right.

Seems daft to me that something so important is sorted with bits of tape when they all have radios. I know pit crew aren't allowed on the wall for the start but surely allowing one person per team there until the grid is formed would make more sense.

Crew members are on the grid before the race yeah? Put the tape on the armco. They do that in F1.

[Akrapovic]

That race was really good. Super-save from Sutton. That was impressive. And Matt Neals pass into the final corner. As usual, JP involved in more incidents than the rest of the grid. Shocker.

Discussion: The race was really good. They're all on the same tyre. Do we need multiple compounds?

[CarfanLUFC]

Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

Plato punted Jackson and Smiley off this time, everyone else seems to be able to drive cleanly but him today.

Edit - and Sutton!

I got my post removed of the btcc fans page for bringing that up. Apparently there was no evidence and I was driving bashing. Sensitive little soldiers on there

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

That race was really good. Super-save from Sutton. That was impressive. And Matt Neals pass into the final corner. As usual, JP involved in more incidents than the rest of the grid. Shocker.

Discussion: The race was really good. They're all on the same tyre. Do we need multiple compounds?

Agree with this all. Thruxton is probably the worst circuit on the calendar for overtaking yet both races (and the supports) have been brilliant today on the single tyre.

Pleased to see Cook win that, think he's the only one who can challenge WSR for the title now.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

Plato punted Jackson and Smiley off this time, everyone else seems to be able to drive cleanly but him today.

Edit - and Sutton!

Plato is an idiot, isn't he? He can't do clean overtakes, he punts everybody off the track. What an ar*ehole.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by CarfanLUFC

I got my post removed of the btcc fans page for bringing that up. Apparently there was no evidence and I was driving bashing. Sensitive little soldiers on there

Oh no definitely. Same thing happens on Twitter. Plato's fans are a little bit different from those of other drivers...


Collard, Cammish, Oliphant grid for R3.

[Akrapovic]

By the end of the day, I expect JP to show up again to tell us we're all wrong and we can all get free tickets if we go to Twitter to debate him and his mob.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

By the end of the day, I expect JP to show up again to tell us we're all wrong and we can all get free tickets if we go to Twitter to debate him and his mob.

At this rate, we'll get a whole season for free!

[porsche962fan]

what happens if gets a 4th strike ?

[Heavyd123]

Anyone notices ah Sutton’s front end as well? Obviously The drivers must keep reversing into him....

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Heavyd123

Anyone notices ah Sutton’s front end as well? Obviously The drivers must keep reversing into him....

I'm not a Sutton fan, but there wasn't actually a video of him doing anything wrong. I don't recall any videos of cars spinning off the nose of the Subaru.

The Vauxhall on the other hand...

[tux]

Clios are usually pretty boring but this race has been great.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by tux

Clios are usually pretty boring but this race has been great.

Hopefully Robinson is ok. SC and he's still in the car.