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Old 21 Aug 2008, 19:39 (Ref:2272919)   #76
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Remove the RS Spyder and P2 is more or less perfect from my point of view.
And why change some good? We have years of Diesel blah blah in P1 and I only dont like the idea of having the same in P2.
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Old 21 Aug 2008, 19:49 (Ref:2272924)   #77
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Remove the RS Spyder and P2 is more or less perfect from my point of view.
And why change some good? We have years of Diesel blah blah in P1 and I only dont like the idea of having the same in P2.
And why is Porsche in LMP2, well would seem logical because their engineers looked at the rule book, saw that petrol cars weren't going to be competitive and went to LMP2. Why did we have diesel dominance last years, well because the rules favour diesels, so that's where the manufacturer support goes.

In my view you are blaming diesels for something which is the result of an unbalanced rule book. Of course you could take the easy route and say throw all the diesels out, making a balanced rule book is a bit more of a challenge and to me having lot's of different types of engines racing each other competitively is much more exciting.

Let me put it this way, in order of preference:

1 Race vs. production, diesel vs. petrol engines racing competitively
2 Just one type of engine
3 Race vs. production, diesel vs. petrol engines not balanced

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Old 21 Aug 2008, 19:50 (Ref:2272926)   #78
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Yes, you are correct. The ACO doesnt get it done with LMP1 and it doesnt really work in WTCC, why should "they" get it balanced in P2?
Oh, and I have no problem with diesels at all. I am driving TDI myself, even if it doesnt makes sense anymore in Germany with the current fuel price level ....

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Old 22 Aug 2008, 04:56 (Ref:2273107)   #79
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Well this should surely rain on the parade then, if it comes to fruition. Peugeot, Zytek and Acura all with a hybrid in 09. link Imagine the task of balancing drive trains with such a different touque over rpm curve!


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Old 22 Aug 2008, 16:29 (Ref:2273425)   #80
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It's going to open a gigantic can of worms. That's why I wish P1 Evo wouldn't turn out to be a separate class (except the introduction year) or even separate set of rules inside P1 class. Bodywork is not something that can be accurately be belanced with so different concepts.
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Old 22 Aug 2008, 16:36 (Ref:2273430)   #81
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Well this should surely rain on the parade then, if it comes to fruition. Peugeot, Zytek and Acura all with a hybrid in 09. link Imagine the task of balancing drive trains with such a different touque over rpm curve!


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So has the FIA & ACO decided on ONE type of Hybrid engine format?
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Old 22 Aug 2008, 16:46 (Ref:2273436)   #82
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So has the FIA & ACO decided on ONE type of Hybrid engine format?
I guess answer is coming 15th Sept.
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Old 22 Aug 2008, 19:17 (Ref:2273519)   #83
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It's going to open a gigantic can of worms. That's why I wish P1 Evo wouldn't turn out to be a separate class (except the introduction year) or even separate set of rules inside P1 class. Bodywork is not something that can be accurately be belanced with so different concepts.
What makes you think that "P1 Evo will turn out to be a separate class...?" (in the introduction year or otherwise)
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Old 22 Aug 2008, 19:49 (Ref:2273530)   #84
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The confusions understandable, initially it was meant to be substantially different, now, starting with the GT1 engine move, it looks like it will be a variation on current cars.

Will every new car, Acura included, be an 'Evo' car?
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So has the FIA & ACO decided on ONE type of Hybrid engine format?
Huh? And just why would the FIA have anything to say about ACO hybrid rules?


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Old 22 Aug 2008, 21:18 (Ref:2273567)   #86
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Huh? And just why would the FIA have anything to say about ACO hybrid rules?


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Though I read that the ACO was looking or talking with the FIA about new F1 hybrid engines. as a result the FIA was futher along in exploring options with teams.

IIRC the ACO only wanted ONE type of hybrid engine so it is easy to police and is simular to all hybrid engines from differnt manufactures.
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Old 22 Aug 2008, 21:20 (Ref:2273569)   #87
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What makes you think that "P1 Evo will turn out to be a separate class...?" (in the introduction year or otherwise)
I agree here. P1 Evo is not SEPERATE CLASS but LMP1, with older cars granfathed in for a year or so.
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What makes you think that "P1 Evo will turn out to be a separate class...?" (in the introduction year or otherwise)
Pure speculation... there are not many facts about Evo.
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Huh? And just why would the FIA have anything to say about ACO hybrid rules?


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Here it says (at least the translation says) "hybrid systems certified by FIA".
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Pure speculation... there are not many facts about Evo.
You are correct.

However, we do know the ACO will keep FOUR classes, not five:

LMP1
LMP2
LMGT1
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any LMP1 "Evo" rules will fit into the LMP1 class and rule structure
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