James Warburton declares V8 Supercars the best motorsports ‘product on the planet’ - Page 4

dirtymacca · 19 May 2016, 00:40 (Ref:3642742)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

All I read here was whinge whinge whinge

Another single line of great wisdom....

FAS33 · 19 May 2016, 01:11 (Ref:3642746)

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Originally Posted by dirtymacca

Another single line of great wisdom....

I'll be here all week.

ForumNick · 19 May 2016, 02:16 (Ref:3642758)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

I'll be here all week.

I tried the veal... it was as uninspiring as the rest of your 'act'

one five five · 19 May 2016, 06:33 (Ref:3642783)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The green eyed monster, and not Mr Lowndes' 00 Falcon, appears to be alive and well...

Another cryptic one-liner, as in the previous Homebush thread, rather than wanting to discuss the topic at hand because it seemingly doesn't agree with your 'Supercars can do no wrong' stance

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Yeah... Group A was a sport, unless you had last year's car, in which case it wasn't a sport at all. And anybody could race, as long as they had big money for the current car that smashed all the others...

And yet the front row at Bathurst in 1992 comprised cars built in 1989 and 1988 respectively....

**GTRMagic** · 19 May 2016, 08:05 (Ref:3642799)

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Originally Posted by one five five

Another cryptic one-liner, as in the previous Homebush thread, rather than wanting to discuss the topic at hand because it seemingly doesn't agree with your 'Supercars can do no wrong' stance

Not even remotely close to cryptic. Envy is a self indulgent mistress.. usually associated with the colour green..

And, as I have mentioned elsewhere, if you have a problem with a post, use the "report post" function.

Mixer · 19 May 2016, 10:14 (Ref:3642823)

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Originally Posted by one five five

And yet the front row at Bathurst in 1992 comprised cars built in 1989 and 1988 respectively....

Cherry pick one data point much?

1992 season standings:

M Skaife 234 points
J Richards 214 points
T Longhurst 184 points

If you didn't have a GTR in 1991/1992 you were nowhere. The winning margin in the championship in 1991 was even more sickening.

It's hard to even believe we're arguing about this, as this issue caused the actual demise of an entire category of racing after only 6 years...

FAS33 · 19 May 2016, 10:34 (Ref:3642825)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Cherry pick one data point much?

1992 season standings:

M Skaife 234 points
J Richards 214 points
T Longhurst 184 points

If you didn't have a GTR in 1991/1992 you were nowhere. The winning margin in the championship in 1991 was even more sickening.

It's hard to even believe we're arguing about this, as this issue caused the actual demise of an entire category of racing after only 6 years...

Seniors be like...

"Back in my day the racing was so much fairer then it is today"

Mixer · 19 May 2016, 10:40 (Ref:3642826)

There IS a whole lot of rose-coloured glasses going on.

chavez · 19 May 2016, 10:42 (Ref:3642828)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Cherry pick one data point much?

1992 season standings:

M Skaife 234 points
J Richards 214 points
T Longhurst 184 points

If you didn't have a GTR in 1991/1992 you were nowhere. The winning margin in the championship in 1991 was even more sickening.

It's hard to even believe we're arguing about this, as this issue caused the actual demise of an entire category of racing after only 6 years...

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

The '91 season featured two rounds that would have to be in the top 10 ATCC races of all time. Both the B&H team and DJR led the GTR's on a number of occasions and although the final points can't be argued with they could lead to a conclusion that the races were not entertaining which wasn't the case.

The '92 series had many excellent races including arguably the best last lap in the history of the ATCC. And also perhaps the best finish in the history of the Sandown 500. Ford, Nissan, BMW and Holden all won races during the year. My personal favourite year until the 2010 series.

one five five · 19 May 2016, 11:16 (Ref:3642839)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Cherry pick one data point much?

1992 season standings:

M Skaife 234 points
J Richards 214 points
T Longhurst 184 points

If you didn't have a GTR in 1991/1992 you were nowhere. The winning margin in the championship in 1991 was even more sickening.

It's hard to even believe we're arguing about this, as this issue caused the actual demise of an entire category of racing after only 6 years...

Hardly cherry picking, your statement was "Group A was a sport, unless you had last year's car, in which case it wasn't a sport at all. And anybody could race, as long as they had big money for the current car that smashed all the others" , i just merely pointed out that neither of the cars on the front row of Bathurst 1992, the biggest and most important race of that season, were "that years" cars. They had been both built years before.

But if you want to play the game of what happened that season, chavez is on the money that points standings don't tell the whole story.

In terms of the 1992 ATCC, Skaife won 7 races to John Bowe's 6 in the Sierra, while Jim Richards won no races. Seton & Longhurst won 2, and Brock 1.... all the outright manufacturers cars won a race.

Even in 1991, while there were no wins for Ford or Holden, at the very least Ford got a few poles, and Holden made the front row of the grid a few times.

If points standings are all that matter though, what does it say about the current formula if Winterbottom could cruise to the title by a mile last year, or Whincup winning the championship before the final round in 2012 and 2014? At least in 1992 three drivers went into the finale with a shot at the title...

The more things change the more they stay the same perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Mixer

as this issue caused the actual demise of an entire category of racing after only 6 years

The demise of Group A in Australia had absolutly nothing to do with Nissan or anything that happened in 1991 or 1992.

Group A as far as touring cars were concerned were killed off by FISA after 1988, by 1992 the only new cars being homologated with FISA were intended for rallying.

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Originally Posted by FAS33

"Back in my day the racing was so much fairer then it is today"

When have fairness and motor racing ever gone together in the history of racing?

"Back in my day" though there was certainly less "show-biz".... we did have tyres that could last more than 30 or so laps of Barbagallo though

Mixer · 19 May 2016, 12:30 (Ref:3642862)

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Originally Posted by one five five

Hardly cherry picking, your statement was "Group A was a sport, unless you had last year's car, in which case it wasn't a sport at all. And anybody could race, as long as they had big money for the current car that smashed all the others" , i just merely pointed out that neither of the cars on the front row of Bathurst 1992, the biggest and most important race of that season, were "that years" cars. They had been both built years before.

So the point you have conveniently side stepped is that first it was a Sierra, then it was the GT-R, and if you did not have THAT car, you could not win a DAMN THING. Peter Brock showed up in a Sierra for god's sake.

Group A was never a level playing field where anybody could turn up and hope to win anything.

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Originally Posted by one five five

The demise of Group A in Australia had absolutly nothing to do with Nissan or anything that happened in 1991 or 1992.

Yeah.... OKAY

peckstar · 19 May 2016, 22:08 (Ref:3643013)

with Richie Stanaway preferring to race V8s instead of WEC on Sandown weekend, I think we can safety remove WEC from the equation

Backagain · 19 May 2016, 23:43 (Ref:3643024)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

with Richie Stanaway preferring to race V8s instead of WEC on Sandown weekend, I think we can safety remove WEC from the equation

Yes, that makes sense, based on one drivers' opinion.

peckstar · 19 May 2016, 23:47 (Ref:3643026)

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Originally Posted by Backagain

Yes, that makes sense, based on one drivers' opinion.

Correct it does, the one driver that has an opportunity to race both

Notice SVG chooses to race V8s over Blancpain as well, we can discard that choice as well. the one driver that has a choice of both

ForumNick · 19 May 2016, 23:59 (Ref:3643027)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Correct it does, the one driver that has an opportunity to race both.....

Shouldn't that be: 'one of the two drivers that has an opportunity to race both'

Hasn't Oliver Gavin 'chosen' Austin over Sandown?

peckstar · 20 May 2016, 00:06 (Ref:3643031)

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Originally Posted by mayhem

Where did he say that? If he gets a win in the double points round and puts himself in a better position in the championship, then he'll probably be forced to skip the Sandown round.

Or alternatively we can use some simple logic, take away some emotion and we arrive to the conclusion that Stanaway is driver without a lot of backing and is seeking security in any of a few series worldwide, with V8s being one of those.

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Actually your logic is good, But not sure you know why.

Why is it that v8s are one of the few series in the world that are able to provide security? Because its one of the best (if not the best) "motorsports products on the planet"

mayhem · 20 May 2016, 00:07 (Ref:3643032)

Can you show me once where I said it wasnt?

peckstar · 20 May 2016, 00:10 (Ref:3643033)

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Originally Posted by mayhem

Can you show me once where I said it wasnt?

What for?

mayhem · 20 May 2016, 00:34 (Ref:3643042)

Yes peckstar, I was the one that posted that link, so I have read it. Is there any danger you'll answer my question?

I'll ask again:

HOW DOES THAT ONE COMMENT FROM ONE DRIVER AFFIRM THAT V8SUPERCARS ARE BETTER THAN WEC AS YOU STATED?????

peckstar · 20 May 2016, 00:45 (Ref:3643045)

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Originally Posted by mayhem

Yes peckstar, I was the one that posted that link, so I have read it. Is there any danger you'll answer my question?

I'll ask again:

HOW DOES THAT ONE COMMENT FROM ONE DRIVER AFFIRM THAT V8SUPERCARS ARE BETTER THAN WEC AS YOU STATED?????

you did not post the link in this thread

Firstly you asked two questions, i answered the first. Because you had already answered the second question yourself

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"Stanaway is driver without a lot of backing and is seeking security in any of a few series worldwide, with V8s being one of those."

WEC does not provide the security for him, where as v8s does

Matt · 20 May 2016, 02:56 (Ref:3643072)

Here's the thing.

Most of the people agreeing with the statement put forward by Warburton happen to be from OS.

Most of the people disagreeing with the statement happen to be of a domestic audience, that have disliked the series in general because it's equal parts spectacle and sport, and they don't like that.

It's all personal opinion, we're gonna run in circles all day with it.

Matt · 20 May 2016, 02:58 (Ref:3643073)

It's actually pretty damn sad to see so many people that actively want to the series to fail or talk a whole bunch of negative stuff about it, when it is in fact, one of the best series in the world(it's certainly the best Touring Car series int he world.)

chavez · 20 May 2016, 03:23 (Ref:3643077)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

So the point you have conveniently side stepped is that first it was a Sierra, then it was the GT-R, and if you did not have THAT car, you could not win a DAMN THING. Peter Brock showed up in a Sierra for god's sake.

Group A was never a level playing field where anybody could turn up and hope to win anything.

Yeah.... OKAY

Another way of looking at it is that the variety of ATCC and Bathurst Winning teams was greater under 8 seasons of Group A than the past 8 seasons of V8 Supercars.

peckstar · 20 May 2016, 03:36 (Ref:3643085)

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Originally Posted by chavez

Another way of looking at it is that the variety of ATCC and Bathurst Winning teams was greater under 8 seasons of Group A than the past 8 seasons of V8 Supercars.

wow a stats game, in 8 years of group A we had 9 different round winners total, and in no year did we have more than 4 different round winners.

V8 supercars 2016, 8 different round winners already after 9 rounds

leothedrummer · 20 May 2016, 03:39 (Ref:3643086)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Here's the thing.

Most of the people agreeing with the statement put forward by Warburton happen to be from OS.

Most of the people disagreeing with the statement happen to be of a domestic audience, that have disliked the series in general because it's equal parts spectacle and sport, and they don't like that.

It's all personal opinion, we're gonna run in circles all day with it.

Final line is spot on. Can only speak for myself, I think the series is fantastic, high quality stuff, but I don't think it's wise to sit back and say "There, job done".

It could be an Australian thing, it could just be me, but the jobs never done, it can always be better, there is always progress to be made and statements like that (Warburtons) always seem be followed by a phase of stagnation or a slowing of pace. It doesn't matter if it's a company, an individual, a sporting team, a band, etc.

I get excited by statements like "We're doing great and here's how we're going to do even better" and worried by statements like "We are the best".

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