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Old 21 Jul 2017, 08:20 (Ref:3753261)   #121
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Also worth adding that IMO Liberty have a much smaller window to make big money out of F1, undoubtedly BE and CVC have had the best paydays out of it. When Liberty bought F1 they remarked that the purchase price was pretty much covered in the forward contracts that FOM had with promoters, TV and sponsors. When they come up for renewal I would suggest that from then on it will be a diminishing return, hence Liberty's desire to explore what they see as untapped revenue streams.

When you consider that in 30-40 years time, there will be no internal combustion engine powered road cars and many major cities and even countries will have banned such cars from the road altogether. Race circuits will probably be obselete as they are now, with many built on as pressure for housing increases (particularly in the UK) and the trackday, corporate day, club racing bread and butter market for tracks is over.

Young people in the era will probably not bother to learn to drive, cities will have driverless cars and transport.

Electric car technology will be here and now, manufacturers will not need to 'showcase' to show the benefits of it.

F1 might become FE1 with the futuristic cars that we have seen some of the F1 teams show us renderings of, but I doubt it will ever big as big as it even is now and today it faces falling audiences and in many countries spectators.

Liberty probably has 20 years to maximise it's investment against a backdrop of contract renewals from TV and promoters, many of whom will demand a cheaper deal or walk away. It may well face having to be the promoter of F1 races at many circuits, with the tracks reverting to landlord for the weekend.
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 08:59 (Ref:3753270)   #122
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You do paint an encouraging picture Moneyseeker
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 14:23 (Ref:3753345)   #123
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Slightly off-topic, but thinking of future calendars, how many F1-eligible circuits are there that don't currently host a Grand Prix?
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 15:17 (Ref:3753353)   #124
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Slightly off-topic, but thinking of future calendars, how many F1-eligible circuits are there that don't currently host a Grand Prix?
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Buddh Int - India
Nurburgring - Germany
Imola?
Kyalami I believe is has been developed and is close to F1 standard - and is now owned by Porsche SA

Anyone else car to chip in?!
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 15:44 (Ref:3753366)   #125
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Slightly off-topic, but thinking of future calendars, how many F1-eligible circuits are there that don't currently host a Grand Prix?
Countries without a race but with FIA Grade 1 circuits (as of Sep 2016):
Buriram, Thailand
Korea
Istanbul Park, Turkey
Buddh, India
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Grade 2 circuits that might work with improvements:
Kyalami, South Africa
Rio Hondo, Argentina
Algarve, Portugal
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 17:11 (Ref:3753378)   #126
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This whole circuit grades thing amuses me. What grade is Monaco? What grade is Singapore or Baku? Not many 10 acre tarmac run off zones on any of those tracks... Why do the street circuits get a free pass, but the road courses have to be butchered to "fit F1"?
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 18:03 (Ref:3753383)   #127
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This whole circuit grades thing amuses me. What grade is Monaco? What grade is Singapore or Baku? Not many 10 acre tarmac run off zones on any of those tracks... Why do the street circuits get a free pass, but the road courses have to be butchered to "fit F1"?
That's a good question and one I've asked my self many a time. A US GP at Laguna Seca or Road America would be amazing but it will never happen because the tracks don't meet F1's 'criteria', so what's so special about F1?
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Old 22 Jul 2017, 12:50 (Ref:3753514)   #128
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A US GP West at Laguna would be fantastic. Imagine an F1 car through the corkscrew.
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Old 22 Jul 2017, 14:38 (Ref:3753533)   #129
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Well Charlie Whiting did visit the circuit recently and did mention that it might be able to host a GP, IIRC
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Laguna isn't big enough and is too dangerous in the current format.

That Virgina int'l raceway looks modern and interesting but isnt it in the middle of nowhere?

Whatever happened to Heartland Park or Road Atlanta?

Jerez must be another grade 1 or 2 circuit?
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Old 22 Jul 2017, 22:25 (Ref:3753651)   #131
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The latest list of FIA circuit grading is to be found at http://www.fia.com/circuit-safety

Jerez currently is grade 1 while, Road Atlanta is grade 2, as is Road America. Laguna does not feature.
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Old 22 Jul 2017, 23:34 (Ref:3753656)   #132
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Marc Gené took a Ferrari round Laguna; why is it too dangerous?
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Laguna isn't big enough and is too dangerous in the current format.

That Virgina int'l raceway looks modern and interesting but isnt it in the middle of nowhere?

Whatever happened to Heartland Park or Road Atlanta?

Jerez must be another grade 1 or 2 circuit?
Is Laguna Seca too dangerous? IMSA race there. The paddock looks big enough.
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Personally the tracks long enough and the run off is enough too, but it's up to the FIA what they deem fit
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i like Laguna but just can't see F1 racing on it. Being honest I'm not sure it would give that good a race.
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