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Old 15 May 2020, 05:43 (Ref:3976304)   #1
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Bathurst 12Hr to make way for second Supercars event

https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/05/15...percars-event/


The 2021 Bathurst 12 Hour is set to be replaced in favour of a second Supercars event at Mount Panorama as part of a rejigged 2020 calendar.

Speedcafe.com understands a heavily revised calendar will see the Virgin Australia Supercars season end at Bathurst for the first time in two decades.

The event will not necessarily be held on the 12 Hour’s traditional February date as the sport looks to restart following the outbreak of COVID-19.
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Old 15 May 2020, 05:49 (Ref:3976305)   #2
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Pretty ordinary by v8sc if they bin the 12 hour for the sake of cobbling together a v8sc calendar.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but this was obviously one of the concerns and fears raised (non Covid) when v8sc took over the promotional rights in 2016.

A 12 Hour event with local teams and drivers could still be run in 2021, with a widening of the class structure
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Old 15 May 2020, 06:19 (Ref:3976307)   #3
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I would have to ask, have all the teams got enough money to run two Bathurst events close together and a third one 10 months later.

Then this...

With Supercars contractually bound to host its season finale in New South Wales, it is believed to have replaced the Newcastle event with a second appearance at Bathurst.

Contracturally bound to who, The NSW government?
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Old 15 May 2020, 06:47 (Ref:3976313)   #4
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I would have to ask, have all the teams got enough money to run two Bathurst events close together and a third one 10 months later.

Then this...

With Supercars contractually bound to host its season finale in New South Wales, it is believed to have replaced the Newcastle event with a second appearance at Bathurst.

Contracturally bound to who, The NSW government?
Yes.Since 2009.
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Old 15 May 2020, 06:23 (Ref:3976308)   #5
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The 12 hour in its current format was deeply at risk as soon as Covid happened. Not only issues with international freight and travel for personnel but also with so many of the drivers / entrants self-funding (at least partially) the discretionary spend nature of entering the event would most likely result in it sliding down the priority list for entrants.

I know I won't convince you otherwise DRT as you despise anything from Supercars but I don't see it as "pretty ordinary" at all - just reality in an extremely challenging environment. Not convinced about a widened local class structure for 2021 if, as no doubt hoped, it gets back to Intercontinental GT3 status in 2022. Running for one year in a lower level state could dilute what the event has come to stand for and essentially force it to be rebuilt again.

Doing it this way maintains the status and brand of the 12 Hour and hopefully we'll see the event back on again in 2022.
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Old 15 May 2020, 07:41 (Ref:3976315)   #6
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I think this sentence is the crux of it

"Question marks surrounding international travel and logistics are understood to have complicated planning for next year’s event."

If there was doubt the international cars and drivers can come. the event would be a dud.

Its my fave event of the year, so hopefully it will be back 2022
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Old 15 May 2020, 08:13 (Ref:3976320)   #7
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I think this sentence is the crux of it

"Question marks surrounding international travel and logistics are understood to have complicated planning for next year’s event."

If there was doubt the international cars and drivers can come. the event would be a dud.

Its my fave event of the year, so hopefully it will be back 2022
What is your definition of a dud?

Surely the option of holding a 12 hour vs non 12 hour at all is a preferred option?

The IGTC is not the baseline, the event grew from a local competitor base. I am not sure why now it can't be held based on the same?

With a different promoter at the helm, I can't see a hiatus being the preferred option?
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The IGTC is not the baseline, the event grew from a local competitor base. I am not sure why now it can't be held based on the same?
The problem is the competitors of the "old" 12 hour now race in the 6 hour, and local GT is a shambles. I think about all the "gentlemen" drivers that make up AGT competitors, and they will no doubt have huge financial losses and will no doubt the VERY busy trying to fix the issues in the businesses that allow them to go racing. I doubt very much whether many of these guys will be up for their regular jaunt.

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With a different promoter at the helm, I can't see a hiatus being the preferred option?
Who is going to go to massive financial risk to run a race for maybe 10 cars, especially at a time when its very shaky whether fans will turn up, how densely they can be accomodated... How they can even travel.

You can bet your butt that if this was GT only it would be off.
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The problem is the competitors of the "old" 12 hour now race in the 6 hour, and local GT is a shambles. I think about all the "gentlemen" drivers that make up AGT competitors, and they will no doubt have huge financial losses and will no doubt the VERY busy trying to fix the issues in the businesses that allow them to go racing. I doubt very much whether many of these guys will be up for their regular jaunt.
Plenty of cars across AGT, Production Sports, Cup Car, APCC and Invitationals to make up a 25 - 30 car grid.

The lack of european and asian pro teams and drivers may actually be a motivator for local entrants. Eg. Quinns and AMAK actually stopped racing at the 12 Hour due to the more Pro / crash and bash nature of where the event headed.

Without understanding each car owners businesses practices, I wouldn't look to assume anyones "HUGE financial losses".

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Who is going to go to massive financial risk to run a race for maybe 10 cars, especially at a time when its very shaky whether fans will turn up, how densely they can be accomodated... How they can even travel.
You would attract more than 10 cars. As discussed multiple times, no one is suggesting transferring the AGT grid to the Bathurst 12 Hour.
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Plenty of cars across AGT, Production Sports, Cup Car, APCC and Invitationals to make up a 25 - 30 car grid.

The lack of european and asian pro teams and drivers may actually be a motivator for local entrants. Eg. Quinns and AMAK actually stopped racing at the 12 Hour due to the more Pro / crash and bash nature of where the event headed.

Without understanding each car owners businesses practices, I wouldn't look to assume anyones "HUGE financial losses".


You would attract more than 10 cars. As discussed multiple times, no one is suggesting transferring the AGT grid to the Bathurst 12 Hour.
Everyone says the 1000k is shite with low numbers, and you are advocating 12 hours with only a couple more.
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Old 15 May 2020, 07:52 (Ref:3976317)   #11
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I love B12Hour but it makes sense that it won’t happen as planned.

Shame but understandable.
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Old 15 May 2020, 09:43 (Ref:3976339)   #12
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Bummer. But not surprised, I have posed the same question elsewhere here about the availability of entries, simply from entrants having the budget after CV. I would expect the travel to be less of an issue, though even that is dependent on there being no further 'second wave' travel restrictions.

I'd really like to see that SRO is the one pulling the plug, and that it isn't just Supercars acting pre-emptively.

DRT, I doubt that the locals will be in a better place to sustain an event, my guess is that they will be harder hit than the IGTC crew. Love to be persuaded otherwise though.
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I'd really like to see that SRO is the one pulling the plug, and that it isn't just Supercars acting pre-emptively.
SRO don't own or promote the event though, the ICGT is a bit of an "add on" to the race itself.
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Old 15 May 2020, 13:27 (Ref:3976410)   #14
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I don't think there was ever any chance that the 12 hour would be run and there is no chance that the AGP will run either because of the long lead time required to set up both and decisions have to be made now.
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